Fix Summoner Once and For All in 6.0 Please!

[Raikai]

I don't see SE giving us back proper pets. And probably will be further removed somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if the pet spells turned into bard songs, where for 15 seconds you go Ifrit mode and a couple of spells does something or procs something different. That fades and you go Titan for 15. And on and on. So SMN is probably forever dead to me, and only levels up because it is tied to SCH.

Probably they won't, because "proper pets" are really conceptually tied to a system that XIV's code can't technically support at the moment. It would work if they had plans to make improvements to their code (it would also probably make things better across the board for other jobs) but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't know what they have in mind, hence Yoshi-P's saying they can't reveal yet. We'll probably get it on Fanfest next week, but it's pretty much guaranteed that its gonna be different than it is now.

Regarding them turning into "bard songs" I don't think they would follow exactly that route. My personal prediction is focusing just in 3 or 4 trances with the summoned creature appearing at the end, behaving like the Automaton Queen.

[ItMe]

I'm referring to suggestions and ideas I've posted in the past that have made it in game, you're welcome to search my name but be warned it goes back 10 years. I have no clue what they are playing and that is what has me worried. I know Egi design is a hot button because I've seen it posted over and over and over for the past 8 years.

Oh...
So you don't actually have a way to verify SQEX is taking your feedback then.
Dang.

[Dyvid]

Oh...
So you don't actually have a way to verify SQEX is taking your feedback then.
Dang.

No, sadly SE doesn't believe in players actually Beta testing a job for the drop the ball on us so to speak.

[ItMe]

No, sadly SE doesn't believe in players actually Beta testing a job for the drop the ball on us so to speak.

God though what if.
Having Beta test realms...
...maybe for their next MMO : /
I don't go there, but do FF11 or Dragon Quest Online have public beta testing?

[Dyvid]

God though what if.
Having Beta test realms...
...maybe for their next MMO : /
I don't go there, but do FF11 or Dragon Quest Online have public beta testing?

FFXI didn't/doesn't. Not sure about DQ Online because for some odd reason it never left Japan but I doubt it.

[Axzeriuth]

I think that Summoner has so much wasted potential and wasted skills. I think thats the case because it's designed to have your Summon pet fight along side you, but so many expansions later the pet code just doesn't work. Not for Summoner or Scholar. Pets feels slow and clunky and so many times a pet skill is wasted because it went off too late.

Get rid of the pet mechanic.

I'd rather your attacks be your summons. As an Arcanist you get Carbuncle and it can use Ruin, Bio, Miasma. As a summoner you learn to channel ifrit and now your single target attacks become ifrit attacks. You summon ifrit, it strikes, it disappears. You learn AoE skills that summon Garuda to stike. She appears, makes a whirlwind, she disappears. You learn defensive skills that summon Titan to protect you (stoneskin heh) and actually give him a use in battle instead of being wasted code.

As you grow as a summoner maybe you replace Ifrit with Shiva. Or learn a debuff skills that is Good King Moogle-Mog striking the mob. Or countless other possibilities.

I feel like this idea may turn Summoners play style more into what Black mage has but damn BLM feels powerful! Summoner has flying potatos.

As a side note I just saw there's level 40 Carbuncle skills. Oh god why would anyone still use Carbuncle at level 40. No other class has so much potential and yet so much skill wastage.

[lbr]

i'd prefer if summoner isn't a collection of 4 barely-interacting kits. What happens to the pet is not particularly important for me, though if I get to choose I'd rather get more different pets.

An idea i have is to turn all the pets into trance-style summons with a limited duration but by rotating between them you can have a 100% pet uptime.

[ItMe]

As a side note I just saw there's level 40 Carbuncle skills. Oh god why would anyone still use Carbuncle at level 40. No other class has so much potential and yet so much skill wastage.

... you mean Egi Assault 2?
SMN still uses carbuncle at level 80 yo. It's not like there's some benefit to not having one summoned.

[SweetPete]

I'm referring to suggestions and ideas I've posted in the past that have made it in game, you're welcome to search my name but be warned it goes back 10 years. I have no clue what they are playing and that is what has me worried. I know Egi design is a hot button because I've seen it posted over and over and over for the past 8 years.

I read this differently I guess. I'm taking it as they have too many "systems" on SMN that just didn't work in 5.0 like they hoped and I agree with that. You have Trance, Demi, Egi, DoT, Aetherflow... It was just too much to try and keeping piling one of top of the other which is what they tried to do. I don't think it was too much though, just not revamped to work well with each other. But's I'll say that if you remove pets from a pet job, the forums will erupt with very negative feedback.

Highly doubt there will be major backlash if they did remove pets. Many players who main summoner or just delve into it once in a while know how much the pets AI sucks. Many people will praise if the pets are gone. The only thing I see is people want to keep carbuncle around. I think it will become mostly cosmetic. However many hate the egis. Always have. So I completely disagree with you about there being major backlash. I don’t think so.

[Xeronia]

Highly doubt there will be major backlash if they did remove pets. Many players who main summoner or just delve into it once in a while know how much the pets AI sucks. Many people will praise if the pets are gone. The only thing I see is people want to keep carbuncle around. I think it will become mostly cosmetic. However many hate the egis. Always have. So I completely disagree with you about there being major backlash. I don’t think so.

I will be upset if the pets are fully gone. I would much rather see something done to the Demi's rather then the base pets as the huge ghosting issues happen with them. ( I know you can ghost egi abilities via trying to do two at once but that is avoidable.)