Thread: Fix Summoner Once and For All in 6.0 Please!

Originally Posted by Auryan

There was an interesting interview done by Mr Happy with Yoshida and in that conversation he brought up Summoner, specifically Egi-glamour. I thought Yoshi's answer was very interesting for what's to come.

His answer: "Currently summoner as a job is reaching somewhat of a breaking point when it comes to the overall play mechanics, so we've halted work on Egi glamour for the time being in order to shift focus. There is a reason behind this, but we can't share the details with you at the moment. When the time comes, I'll be sure to properly share that information with everyone."

That could mean a lot of things, such as either significant changes to the way egis work to outright removal of them. What do you guys think it could mean? No theory is too crackpot.

And this interview was what month in what year?

Originally Posted by Auryan

There was an interesting interview done by Mr Happy with Yoshida and in that conversation he brought up Summoner, specifically Egi-glamour. I thought Yoshi's answer was very interesting for what's to come.

His answer: "Currently summoner as a job is reaching somewhat of a breaking point when it comes to the overall play mechanics, so we've halted work on Egi glamour for the time being in order to shift focus. There is a reason behind this, but we can't share the details with you at the moment. When the time comes, I'll be sure to properly share that information with everyone."

That could mean a lot of things, such as either significant changes to the way egis work to outright removal of them. What do you guys think it could mean? No theory is too crackpot.

Could be a rework(/pruning) of abilities.

Although personally I would prefer if they more leaned into older interpretations of what made a summoner than an actual pet class. That being: The summoner calls forth their summon. Their summon does a signature attack. The summon then leaves.

To give an idea of how this could be feasible in 14, imagine blue mage for a moment. Imagine as the blue mage imitates the physical motion of titan's mountain buster as though they were flipping a table, they also briefly called forth a semi-transparent form of titan who is also performing the same physical motion. After the animation ends, the 'phantom' titan leaves.

The only problem with blue mage is actually needing to go out and hunt for each individual spell. But if you had a job with a fixed set of abilities learned at a fixed levels, and implementing the aformentioned 'phantom' to go with the abilities, I think it would be closer to what the summoner fantasy is.

Originally Posted by Chasingstars

Could be a rework(/pruning) of abilities.

Although personally I would prefer if they more leaned into older interpretations of what made a summoner than an actual pet class. That being: The summoner calls forth their summon. Their summon does a signature attack. The summon then leaves.

To give an idea of how this could be feasible in 14, imagine blue mage for a moment. Imagine as the blue mage imitates the physical motion of titan's mountain buster as though they were flipping a table, they also briefly called forth a semi-transparent form of titan who is also performing the same physical motion. After the animation ends, the 'phantom' titan leaves.

The only problem with blue mage is actually needing to go out and hunt for each individual spell. But if you had a job with a fixed set of abilities learned at a fixed levels, and implementing the aformentioned 'phantom' to go with the abilities, I think it would be closer to what the summoner fantasy is.

What if the summon didn't disappear immediately, and instead lasted for long enough for you to do 2 or 3 actions while it does its thing before disappearing?

Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

And this interview was what month in what year?

Very recently. He sent in his list of questions about a month ago and just got some answers.

Guess we will find out in a few weeks then. For all we know we could become Terra Branford and become a Primal temporarily in a true trance mode.

Or maybe they will make Titan Egi great again, evolve into Sephirot Egi and out tank all the tanks.

I'm glad they halted work on glamour since ultimately it does very little for the job.

Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Guess we will find out in a few weeks then. For all we know we could become Terra Branford and become a Primal temporarily in a true trance mode.

Or maybe they will make Titan Egi great again, evolve into Sephirot Egi and out tank all the tanks.

I'm glad they halted work on glamour since ultimately it does very little for the job.

Honestly, I'm humbled the devs have taking my ideas and put them in the game. But at the same time having Egi Glamour kicked down the road again is frustrating because I know Egi Design has been a key topic with the SMN community since Beta. It's long past time this gets address.

Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly, I'm humbled the devs have taking my ideas and put them in the game. But at the same time having Egi Glamour kicked down the road again is frustrating because I know Egi Design has been a key topic with the SMN community since Beta. It's long past time this gets address.

I think they need to be more transparent on their plans for Egi in general and should provide a roadmap for summoners.

There is really no excuse for not having Ramuh/Shiva/Levi glams.

If you have time for making minions of every Eikon out there there is not much reason we don't have these egi's by now.

Sephirot Egi's in the Fiend fight and the little Ramuh's in Ramuh are big offenders.

I would not be happy for summoners if all the new stuff for egi's just turns out to be a Silver and Black Carbuncle.

Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly, I'm humbled the devs have taking my ideas and put them in the game.

How do you know what the changes are, let alone where SQEX got the ideas from?

Originally Posted by ItMe

How do you know what the changes are, let alone where SQEX got the ideas from?

Are you implying you know what the actual changes are? Time to spill the beans popoto!!