Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
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If your intent is to help, it will reflect in chat. Most of the time, when I hear people complaining about 'giving help' causing them to get banned/penalised/cussed out a little observation of their conduct makes it apparent why.

That said, on non-newbie 'sub-par' players, one need not immediately assume that these players are being 'bad' by default. There are many ways a player can be not a sprout and still perform sub-par including but not limited to 1) real life issues (physical/mental ailments, medication, a distracting environment, hardware issues, hardware change, sudden internet stutter, etc), 2) not having gotten guidance (solo players are especially vulnerable, but being around groups that come to wrong conclusions/internalise bad habits leads to this too) and/or misunderstanding mechanics (in a general sense), 3) being given bad guidance, 4) unfamiliarity with their class/job/role 5) unfamiliarity with the duty, excacerbated by point 4, 6) rust/lack of practice and/or a change in bindings

A 'sub-par' player may be simply lazy, but they could also have a legitimate issue on their end. It would probably be for the best to not immediately assume malice without clear evidence.

A 'sub-par' player who is, indeed, lazy and refuses to get up and play properly even when given help is beyond anyone's ability to 'help'. If they are causing severe issues to the party (and, again, assuming that they have admitted to being lazy, and it's not just your assumption that they are) then you would certainly be free to remove them to help the party earn the clear. Otherwise patience is best exercised. It's not the community's obligation to carry people who are being 'lazy', certainly, but it's not also the community's right to immediately assume people performing sub-par are simply being lazy and that they should be removed.

As for this thread at large, it may be 'presented' that way (and included a legitimate tale about bad behaviour being encouraged) but if you look closely at OP's posts all through the thread you can see that it's honestly birthed from nothing more than the entitled snarling of an elitist who has repeatedly framed themselves as being 'taken advantage of' by 'half' the people in DF.