Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[SturmChurro]

Except whether you were asleep at the wheel the whole time or going full Sweaty, the reward is still the same: you completed the duty, maybe got loot, some tomes, etc.

You can rant and rave about "performing well" in a dungeon or something all you want, but past a certain point it's just wasted energy. Why tire out my already crappy joints just so I can "perform well"? It doesn't even mean you'll get more commendations. You don't need to play at Savage/Ultimate level in standard content. You can, but you don't need to, most people don't expect you to, and it has very little impact.

You should be more worked up about people getting hard carried through Ultimate and waving around weapons and titles, but for some reason you seem more interested in 'casual' content performance. Hm.

Odd. I would have thought you would agree with my takes on this subject, considering this quote from the TfDF thread. Perhaps I read it wrong?

It's not the only time they died, they were terrible, and it's not being "harsh" to expect people to know how to play, especially in casual content. It's not hard. If they've done it that many times, they should be able to do the mechanics in their sleep by now. If they're too burnt out or "zoning out", maybe they should go do something else and stop slowing the rest of us down.

I don't know about you, but I'm very familiar with people lazily doing content because they know they'll get carried through it. This was one of those times. You don't know the whole story, so save your "judging by"s for someone else. Just because I was recalling a story from a few days ago and didn't give you every single detail so you could make a judgment call on whether I'm being a big meanie or not, that doesn't mean that's all that happened. This person isn't on trial, I'm just telling a story. Funny that people always come out to defend bad and lazy players.

Anyway, I couldn't care less about people showing off high end titles or weapons. I don't even know what the titles are or what the weapons look like. For that matter, I don't do high end content - not even extremes. I haven't even done an extreme since Hades. Not that I see the relevance here.

It's not like it is difficult for a player to play "well, rather "passably", all it takes is them pressing a key in a different order, and if they are really having trouble... combos even light up!

[Doozer]

Odd. I would have thought you would agree with my takes on this subject, considering this quote from the TfDF thread. Perhaps I read it wrong?

Anyway, I couldn't care less about people showing off high end titles or weapons. I don't even know what the titles are or what the weapons look like. For that matter, I don't do high end content - not even extremes. I haven't even done an extreme since Hades. Not that I see the relevance here.

It's not like it is difficult for a player to play "well, rather "passably", all it takes is them pressing a key in a different order, and if they are really having trouble... combos even light up!

Boy, I just live rent-free in your head, huh? That was over two months ago, and the thread long moved on. I'm not going to continue an argument you plucked out and stitched into this thread, and you know that there's more to playing than AFK and pretending Rabanastre is an Ultimate-tier duty.

So if you don't even do EX content, who are you to bark on and on about how other players aren't performing well? What do you know besides how to play decently in 'casual' content? How bizarre.

[SturmChurro]

Boy, I just live rent-free in your head, huh? That was over two months ago, and the thread long moved on. I'm not going to continue an argument you plucked out and stitched into this thread, and you know that there's more to playing than AFK and pretending Rabanastre is an Ultimate-tier duty.

So if you don't even do EX content, who are you to bark on and on about how other players aren't performing well? What do you know besides how to play decently in 'casual' content? How bizarre.

Are the points made in that post not relevant to the current conversation? You seem to have experience with the very same type of players I have been referring to!

I'm sorry, are you trying to shame me because I don't do high end PvE content? If so that is laughable. If you really want to know why I don't do extremes anymore, it's because I got tired of pugging them, and wasting tens of hours trying and failing to progress, and even when I did, it's a well known meme that "farm" parties are "trap" parties. Quite simply, it's a waste of time. For that matter, I don't have to do savage or ultimate content to figure out how to perform my rotation adequately, or to use an AoE skill. This is literally the whole point.

Oh, I should add! I barely even do normal content! I've not completed the new raid series, nor did I ever complete the Eden series! My gear is completely out of date!

[Doozer]

Are the points made in that post not relevant to the current conversation? You seem to have experience with the very same type of players I have been referring to!

I'm sorry, are you trying to shame me because I don't do high end PvE content? If so that is laughable. If you really want to know why I don't do extremes anymore, it's because I got tired of pugging them, and wasting tens of hours trying and failing to progress, and even when I did, it's a well known meme that "farm" parties are "trap" parties. Quite simply, it's a waste of time. For that matter, I don't have to do savage or ultimate content to figure out how to perform my rotation adequately, or to use an AoE skill. This is literally the whole point.

Oh, I should add! I barely even do normal content! I've not completed the new raid series, nor did I ever complete the Eden series! My gear is completely out of date!

I think you're projecting far too much to even waste my time talking to you. Questioning your qualifications and experience is not shaming, unless you perceive everyone that disagrees with you as attacking you. Clearly others figured out earlier that you're just looking for a fight to simultaneously win and lose, and that's why they stopped bothering. Sorry you're a victim in this game because you're so good and everyone else is so bad. Perhaps you want to play a different game? A singleplayer one, perhaps?

[SturmChurro]

I think you're projecting far too much to even waste my time talking to you. Questioning your qualifications and experience is not shaming, unless you perceive everyone that disagrees with you as attacking you. Clearly others figured out earlier that you're just looking for a fight to simultaneously win and lose, and that's why they stopped bothering. Sorry you're a victim in this game because you're so good and everyone else is so bad. Perhaps you want to play a different game? A singleplayer one, perhaps?

Oh, I'm projecting?

So, are you trying to say that players who do not complete high end PvE content cannot have an opinion on general content on this game? If so, that is concerning, it comes off as quite elitist, but that's just my opinion on that particular view.

No, I am usually the one who stops posting in response actually, and you responded to me initially. I just thought it was odd, your take on the subject, when I recalled an argument in the DF thread (which I was not a part of), that I thought was clearly contrary to what was posted here!

I'm sorry, but my original argument wasn't about how good or bad I or other players are. It was about players - in general - respecting each other's time and putting in an adequate amount of "effort", specifically using AoE skills, combos, and not being AFK, as to not be a burden on another player's experience. I was never referring to ultimate, or savage level play. This thread expands on that idea, referring to how the community - in general - enables, and defends the sort of players who are a burden on others and do not respect another's time.

Thanks for the concern! I have been playing single-player games! Quite a few of them recently! I could recommend some for you, depending on your tastes! I quite like PvP games too, so if you are into that kind of thing, I could recommend those as well!

[Doozer]

Oh, I'm projecting?

So, are you trying to say that players who do not complete high end PvE content cannot have an opinion on general content on this game? If so, that is concerning, it comes off as quite elitist, but that's just my opinion on that particular view.

Yep, projecting. Bye. Fight by yourself.

[Rinhi]

Yep, projecting. Bye. Fight by yourself.

lmao, imagine invalidating your own argument with a prior post, insulting someone when they link it and then running away from the argument YOU started