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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Problem is using your example you have no way to prove the bullet was fired from said gun.
    Uh. Sorry, what? Ballistic forensics can examine a bullet, and a gun, and say 'yes, this bullet came from this gun, without a shadow of reasonable doubt' because every gun has its own pattern of microscopic marking that are as unique and identifiable as any fingerprint. That example is false, and the comparison here is 'which system did the continuous pattern of selecting things come from' which is equally clear by server logs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verendal View Post
    Uh. Sorry, what? Ballistic forensics can examine a bullet, and a gun, and say 'yes, this bullet came from this gun, without a shadow of reasonable doubt' because every gun has its own pattern of microscopic marking that are as unique and identifiable as any fingerprint. That example is false, and the comparison here is 'which system did the continuous pattern of selecting things come from' which is equally clear by server logs.
    Unfortunately only having the clicks doesn’t prove anything - for all they know, the person could’ve just been exhausted and didn’t realize they got the house until they finally did. Or there could’ve been internet lag on their end causing it to appear as if they didn’t have the house. The only way they can prove that the person was using an autoclicker IS by being there in person, messaging, receiving no message, and SEEING it.
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    Reminder: GMs have 0 jurisdiction over cheating/botting. They can sit there watch the blatant cheating with you and have the exact same power as you do to deal with it, report it and wait for the STF to hopefully get to it in the giant queue of reports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verendal View Post
    Uh. Sorry, what? Ballistic forensics can examine a bullet, and a gun, and say 'yes, this bullet came from this gun, without a shadow of reasonable doubt' because every gun has its own pattern of microscopic marking that are as unique and identifiable as any fingerprint. That example is false, and the comparison here is 'which system did the continuous pattern of selecting things come from' which is equally clear by server logs.
    Thing is as another person said all SE can see are clicks and a pattern of DC'ing. As per your example not enough to determine the bullet was fired from said gun. Goes outside the scope of what they are allowed to use as evidence.

    The comparison is not false your example was flawed since you are operating under the assumption GM's have the tools required to create a concrete connection after the fact. The reality is they do not. I was just following your example.

    I get it sucks but GM’s are not all powerful.
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    Last edited by Awha; 05-02-2021 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Thing is as another person said all SE can see are clicks and a pattern of DC'ing. As per your example not enough to determine the bullet was fired from said gun. Goes outside the scope of what they are allowed to use as evidence.

    The comparison is not false your example was flawed since you are operating under the assumption GM's have the tools required to create a concrete connection after the fact. The reality is they do not. I was just following your example.

    I get it sucks but GM’s are not all powerful.
    Gonna have to hard disagree with you on this one. There is PLENTY of evidence with none to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verendal View Post
    Gonna have to hard disagree with you on this one. There is PLENTY of evidence with none to the contrary.
    As mentioned by others the evidence they are allowed to use does not allow them to make such a call with certainty. I get it is infuriating, but as said they are not all powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustytome View Post
    Reminder: GMs have 0 jurisdiction over cheating/botting. They can sit there watch the blatant cheating with you and have the exact same power as you do to deal with it, report it and wait for the STF to hopefully get to it in the giant queue of reports.
    They really need to increase the size of the STF..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Thing is as another person said all SE can see are clicks and a pattern of DC'ing. As per your example not enough to determine the bullet was fired from said gun. Goes outside the scope of what they are allowed to use as evidence.

    The comparison is not false your example was flawed since you are operating under the assumption GM's have the tools required to create a concrete connection after the fact. The reality is they do not. I was just following your example.

    I get it sucks but GM’s are not all powerful.
    Seems like a lot of MMO's now adays are going this route. "Here GM's have all these powerful tools, but you can't use them sorry"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Seems like a lot of MMO's now adays are going this route. "Here GM's have all these powerful tools, but you can't use them sorry"
    Well I mean GM’s prop do not get paid well and probably just like other jobs for the most part hate working and investigating require effort.
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    Good luck proving that, OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Verendal View Post
    That example is false, and the comparison here is 'which system did the continuous pattern of selecting things come from' which is equally clear by server logs.
    Do you work at SE operations teams? How do you know what they log and don't?
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    Last edited by Sotaris; 05-02-2021 at 10:22 PM.

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