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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Auto clickers after the fact are hard to prove. What do you want / expect a GM to do after the fact.
    To get the Developers to build in anti autoclicking software blocks, eg. only being able to click 3 times per 30 minutes or something, that would make sense and render that kind of third party software utterly and completely useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    To get the Developers to build in anti autoclicking software blocks, eg. only being able to click 3 times per 30 minutes or something, that would make sense and render that kind of third party software utterly and completely useless.
    yeah I don't see that happening. I can just imagine the complaints already.
    And also would change nothing, people who use bots or autohotkey or similar software will still be around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    To get the Developers to build in anti autoclicking software blocks, eg. only being able to click 3 times per 30 minutes or something, that would make sense and render that kind of third party software utterly and completely useless.
    Doubt they would do that but it also would not change anything since they will just time the clicks. Not making it useless, just a tad more annoying to setup.
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    Websites solve similar issue by using captcha’s. But I’m not sure I’d want to do a captcha for every house buying attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    To get the Developers to build in anti autoclicking software blocks, eg. only being able to click 3 times per 30 minutes or something, that would make sense and render that kind of third party software utterly and completely useless.
    Yeah, but that would also break general controls for the game because there's presumably no way to restrict it only to placard, but rather to opening menus x amount of times. When you're house spamming, you just rebind a few keys to your mmo mouse or to a controller so that you can more conveniently go through the menus. Any anti auto clicking block would affect normal gameplay that uses these menus like, say, leve turn ins, collectibles (this would affect people doing Ishgard crafting), etc.

    It would whammy console players the hardest because they can only use the menus the keybinding way.
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    Last edited by Arielen; 05-03-2021 at 05:40 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seleni View Post
    Websites solve similar issue by using captcha’s. But I’m not sure I’d want to do a captcha for every house buying attempt.
    Also one can make a script to bypass captcha's. Did that during my kissanime days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Also one can make a script to bypass captcha's. Did that during my kissanime days.
    Yeah that would be broken in no time.
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    Doesn’t that depend on the sophistication of the captcha? And I’d just been struggling at such one as human…. (Does that 1/8th of a tire count as part of the bicycle? And that vehicle at far far distance that seems slightly taller than the vehicle parked to the side, is that a van or a bus? orz)

    Either way, at that point you’re definitely running an add-on (versus, say, using programmable mouse doing short sequence of clicks but still having start each sequence manually), and thus more likely to be detected and make yourself subject to account suspension/termination.

    On a wild thought, SE could make a mini-game as pre-requisite for buying. Highest score of the day wins the right to purchase? …I’ll show myself out.
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    This is the thing with logging... a lot of people assume there's more information in the logs than their probably isn't. A classic example is how people think Windows 10 is spying on them when the reality is that Microsoft just announced what the logs were doing since NT, and most of that functionality hasn't changed all that much over the years... yet somehow their mystically big brother now (when even Linux does something similar with most of the system logging).

    Either way... you've got to prove it and if you don't have network traces and other hard data beyond wild speculation, a GM is going to look at this and go "oh, that's cute, but it's still wild conjecture and I can't ban someone off of a tall tale".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielen View Post
    Yeah, but that would also break general controls for the game because there's presumably no way to restrict it only to placard, but rather to opening menus x amount of times.
    Unless the placard ITSELF has a cooldown.
    Or you get a half hour long "debuff/status" preventing you from clicking again.
    There are potential ways around that... you know, if SQEX was determined to implement something like this.
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