Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Awha]

Or you have a skewed vision of what 'massively' underperforming is? Also, it's DF.

Or you have a skewed version of what is not ‘massively’ underperforming? Sure it is DF but expecting general competence is not asking for much though that is the problem this community has differing views of what is general competence which often leads to colorfully discussions in NN.

[linayar]

Or you have a skewed version of what is not ‘massively’ underperforming? Sure it is DF but expecting general competence is not asking for much though that is the problem this community has differing views of what is general competence which often leads to colorfully discussions in NN.

Competence is the ability to do something successfully. If you can reliably clear content on DF with any random party, then you are competent at least for Normal contents in the game.

So to underperform for any given content would be to perform at such a level that would prevent you from clearing the content, thus making you incompetent for that particular content until you improve your performance.

The thing is, as a party-based content, unless there are mechanics that test individual performance, then it is the party's performance as a group that matters more.

[Awha]

Competence is the ability to do something successfully. If you can reliably clear content on DF with any random party, then you are competent at least for Normal contents in the game.

So to underperform for any given content would be to perform at such a level that would prevent you from clearing the content, thus making you incompetent for that particular content until you improve your performance.

The thing is, as a party-based content, unless there are mechanics that test individual performance, then it is the party's performance as a group that matters more.

Competence is to do something successfully or efficiently. Which ever what one prioritizes depends on the person. Some may just go based off completion and others may go based off efficiency.

It really depends on the person for some group performance is all that matters but for others the desire of having everyone carry their own weight is important.

Completion in itself may be enough for you but it may not be the case for others. So it is not a one size fits all standard. Sure some may be fine with a full party of gray's and others may have a higher standard.

[linayar]

Competence is to do something successfully or efficiently. Which ever what one prioritizes depends on the person. Some may just go based off completion and others may go based off efficiency.

It really depends on the person for some group performance is all that matters but for others the desire of having everyone carry their own weight is important.

Completion in itself may be enough for you but it may not be the case for others. So it is not a one size fits all standard. Sure some may be fine with a full party of gray's and others may have a higher standard.

If someone is basing it on efficiency, then it's a moot point for DF, which is never going to be as efficient as PF. Telling someone they're underperforming based on a "not one size fits all" standard is also useless.

[Awha]

If someone is basing it on efficiency, then it's a moot point for DF, which is never going to be as efficient as PF. Telling someone they're underperforming based on a "not one size fits all" standard is also useless.

I never said telling someone they are under performing based on a one size fits all standard. Everyone has their own standard. For some it may be completing the fight for others it is being able to execute a basic rotation, for another it may be not letting your tank die due to being dps happy, for others it may not letting the co healer do all of the healing.

What I am saying everyone has their own standard and will enforce it as they see fit. I have my standards and I probably kick more people from DF because of it. Sure in practice waiting those five min to kick someone is not effencit but for me it is an effencit use of my time in terms of maximizing my own enjoyment.

The reality is as many said this is an online game with many different types of players and different standards and play styles. I may not agree with others views and that is okay. I will keep on using the tools in the game to do what I can to maximize my own fun even if it as the expense of another's.

Also let us be real most the stuff that is talked about on the forums is useless.

[linayar]

What I am saying everyone has their own standard and will enforce it as they see fit.

Well, too bad for the OP, I guess. But agreed, outside of violating the ToS, we are responsible for our own enjoyment in the game and can't always expect others to cater to us.