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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    SE is a business, so comfort zone has nothing to do with it. Why should they put more work for their GM to do?
    Once again we do not know if it would require additional GM’s to police such a thing. The thing is even SE understands how useful parsing is that is why they turn a blind eye and it operates in some grey area. Personally I rather SE be open and allow for parsing across the board instead of just turning a blind eye and enforcing punishment when things get out of hand. Cause if they made parsing available to everyone they pretty much would be doing what they do now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    It really isn't as black and white as that. I completely understand why SE don't want parsers in the game because I have seen what happens when a game allows it.

    Many people misuse parsers. They glance at numbers without taking things like gear or someone else making that person's job harder into consideration. They look at a tiny portion of the picture and judge someone as if that's the whole story.

    Sure you can inform them that they're not looking at the big picture but this can be met with resistance. So then an argument starts when all you wanted to do was tell someone that taking a glance at a parser is often not enough to know what is truly going on.

    And it really sucks when the person getting criticised also doesn't know how to look at parser data correctly and actually believe they are bad at the game when they're told they are. Some players are not experienced enough to realise how much someone else's performance can impact their own.

    Also there are players who expect perfection all the time from those around them and nitpick tiny mistakes or have a hissy fit because someone in normal mode doesn't have excellent ogcd use when it's not even required in normal mode. Some people are just incapable of adjusting their expectations for the content they're in.

    The problem isn't the parsers, it's the people who misuse them.

    I'm not against parsers, if I was I wouldn't touch savage with a ten foot pole. I'm against their misuse but because misuse is not something that is possible to fix SE have elected to not permit them. In their eyes in game parsers are more trouble than they're worth.

    That said it would be nice if there was a personal parser in the game that gave you data and a grade that takes your ilvl into account after you exit the instance so you can examine it yourself at your own pace without the risk of someone ignorant or meanspirited giving you an unnecessarily hard time over your performance while in the middle of doing it. SE are really good at making nice and clean UIs that are easy to understand so I'm sure any parser they would create would be quite user friendly. But even if that was in the game some people would hound someone after they exit the instance to call them out on something and that can lead to drama as well...so I doubt we will ever get anything like this.

    Until the community can prove that parser misuse and the toxicity that can come from that would be rare SE are never going to give us a parser.
    In the grand scheme I think parsing abuse is on the rare side here. Sure I grant that if it was more openly used the amount of abuse would go up though that would probably just be due to the amount of players openly using it going up. I do not think the overall case frequency would go up when adjusted for the increase of usage.

    It is also a weird image from an enforcement standpoint breaking TOS bad but operate in this grey area where technically your action is against the TOS but we will let it slide unless you do something report worthy with it. Wouldn’t that be how it would be treated if it was openly used?
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