MSQ

[TheMightyMollusk]

Or how about Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, Cutters' Cry, Aurum Vale, and Dzemael Darkhold? Four dungeons that are required for character progression in some way or another during A Realm Reborn, and are among the most reviled duties in this entire game. Oh, and those four duties were also pulled forward from the abject failure that was 1.0.

Out of those, only Toto-Rak is actually required for the MSQ. The other three (and Halatali, Sunken Temple of Qarn, and Wanderer's Palace, for that matter) have hunt marks in them for Grand Company logs, but the Grand Company membership is never required beyond the first couple of quests to meet Biggs and Wedge and to get your mount license. They're side content.

[Arkevorkhat]

Out of those, only Toto-Rak is actually required for the MSQ. The other three (and Halatali, Sunken Temple of Qarn, and Wanderer's Palace, for that matter) have hunt marks in them for Grand Company logs, but the Grand Company membership is never required beyond the first couple of quests to meet Biggs and Wedge and to get your mount license. They're side content.

MSQ =/= Character Progression.
Besides, there's content locked behind GC ranks, housing being a big example, you have to be a Second Lieutenant in order to own property, including apartments and FC rooms, and that requires both AV and DD.

[Tommara]

MSQ =/= Character Progression.
Besides, there's content locked behind GC ranks, housing being a big example, you have to be a Second Lieutenant in order to own property, including apartments and FC rooms, and that requires both AV and DD.

You're right.

But those things aren't hard to do.

Housing in FF14 is not only savage, but just about bragging rights, decorating, and gardening.

Your time would be better spent crafting or harvesting, so you can afford to buy things from folks who spent hours/days, clicking on a sign.

[Shibi]

Your time would be better spent crafting or harvesting, so you can afford to buy things from folks who spent hours/days, clicking on a sign.

Crafting and gathering are also gated.

[Tommara]

Crafting and gathering are also gated.

Yep.

But I've got all of them around level 75, regardless that I don't have access to level 70+ zones, because of MSQ restrictions.

Because, as I said, "your time would be better spent crafting or harvesting..." And so now it's trivial for me to buy mats from the market, for my crafters to make something profitable from them. I have enough money and GC rank to buy a house, if only houses were more useful, and I was interested in decorating.

Except fishing. I've only leveled that to mid-60's, but almost solely by buying fish from other players, and giving them to my Grand Company for both levels and GC seals.

[Arkevorkhat]

You're right.

But those things aren't hard to do.

Housing in FF14 is not only savage, but just about bragging rights, decorating, and gardening.

Your time would be better spent crafting or harvesting, so you can afford to buy things from folks who spent hours/days, clicking on a sign.

1: There's nothing about something being easy that means it has a place.
2: You don't have to click a placard to get an apartment, unless things have changed *drastically* since I walked up to the caretaker at the topmast next to my FC's house and bought one with zero fuss.
3: What's to say I don't spend a good portion of my time crafting? If you checked my lodestone profile for even a moment you'd see that I'm 80 across the board for DoH and DoL, and I can tell you right now that I'm fully pentamelded on all of my crafters, and I supply my static with raid food and tinctures.

[Tommara]

1: There's nothing about something being easy that means it has a place.
2: You don't have to click a placard to get an apartment, unless things have changed *drastically* since I walked up to the caretaker at the topmast next to my FC's house and bought one with zero fuss.
3: What's to say I don't spend a good portion of my time crafting? If you checked my lodestone profile for even a moment you'd see that I'm 80 across the board for DoH and DoL, and I can tell you right now that I'm fully pentamelded on all of my crafters, and I supply my static with raid food and tinctures.

Then what are you complaining about? Other than trying to troll me and failing? I don't care about decorating, so why should I want an apartment in FF14? If I did, I'd work on my real life house instead of playing FF14.

And why should I check your profile, instead of only responding to what you say in this forum? Isn't it clear that I figured it out from what you've said here alone?

[Arkevorkhat]

Then what are you complaining about? Other than trying to troll me and failing? I don't care about decorating, so why should I want an apartment in FF14? If I did, I'd work on my real life house instead of playing FF14.

And why should I check your profile, instead of only responding to what you say in this forum? Isn't it clear that I figured it out from what you've said here alone?

No content that serves as a near-universal negative play experience has a right to exist, regardless of whether it's difficult or not.

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale, or the hours of mindless fetch quests that don't even have relevant dialogue, or any of the multitude of other things that are generally unenjoyable.

As for why you should check my profile, it's because you've made a couple of assumptions over the course of this thread that would be obviously incorrect with even a cursory glance at what I've accomplished in this game.

[Tommara]

No content that serves as a near-universal negative play experience has a right to exist, regardless of whether it's difficult or not.

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale, or the hours of mindless fetch quests that don't even have relevant dialogue, or any of the multitude of other things that are generally unenjoyable.

I think you and I should be friends, instead of arguing with each other.

Edited Note: Or in other words, I agree with what you just said, even though I haven't viewed your profile or whatever status you think you have that should take precedence over your words.

And with that, way past my bedtime, good night.

[DPZ2]

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale, or the hours of mindless fetch quests that don't even have relevant dialogue, or any of the multitude of other things that are generally unenjoyable.

I have extremely fond memories of learning how to best use the Bard AoE abilities during a run through Aurum Vale with the leader of my FC back in the Heavensward era. I enjoy running through it still. So, now you've met someone.