MSQ

[Theodric]

Many iconic TV show moments involve the deaths of major characters, though. At some point, a cast becomes bloated - and much like how hiring actors is expensive on a consistent basis, so too is it the case with voice actors.

As for tragedy, especially in regards to war stories I absolutely and firmly believe that civilians need to be shown exactly what the consequences of war actually are. Because then they might be encouraged to do more to deescalate such things in the real world and speak out against it.

I think it's dangerous for stories to push the idea that if people go to war they'll be able to return from it with their friends and be praised as heroes when the bleak reality is that they're actually just coming back from killing a bunch of young men and women with their own hopes, dreams and ideals...and that in the blink of an eye, a stray bullet could easily end the life of a beloved comrade.

Though that'd involve civilians learning to stop glorifying war and honour the realistic, actual death toll on both sides of a conflict. Thus far, FFXIV only really pretends to do that but doesn't truly commit to it. Plenty of other JRPG's have done it, though - including previous Final Fantasy games.

Oh well. I don't expect it to actually happen, though I do think it'd be the right move.

[linayar]

Many iconic TV show moments involve the deaths of major characters, though. At some point, a cast becomes bloated - and much like how hiring actors is expensive on a consistent basis, so too is it the case with voice actors.

As for tragedy, especially in regards to war stories I absolutely and firmly believe that civilians need to be shown exactly what the consequences of war actually are. Because then they might be encouraged to do more to deescalate such things in the real world and speak out against it.

I think it's dangerous for stories to push the idea that if people go to war they'll be able to return from it with their friends and be praised as heroes when the bleak reality is that they're actually just coming back from killing a bunch of young men and women with their own hopes, dreams and ideals...and that in the blink of an eye, a stray bullet could easily end the life of a beloved comrade.

Though that'd involve civilians learning to stop glorifying war and honour the realistic, actual death toll on both sides of a conflict. Thus far, FFXIV only really pretends to do that but doesn't truly commit to it. Plenty of other JRPG's have done it, though - including previous Final Fantasy games.

Oh well. I don't expect it to actually happen, though I do think it'd be the right move.

Oh, there should certainly be stories that does not glorify war. I just don't think FFXIV has to be it. This is an action game, and it always feels hollow to me if a story tries to preach against violence while the character is all about getting stronger in order to inflict more damage to the enemies.

As a fantasy story, this is more about being that superhero, that champion that will fight to defend his friends. So being able to save is what I feel is the point. We already have deaths from Louisoix and Papalymo, along with deaths from lesser characters. I think that's enough, though they can certainly add more to it in the future, but I think it has to be used wisely and not something that people should expect moving forward. That's why all the candidates that people bring up on who should die just do not feel like good candidates to me. I honestly dislike how 5.5 went with all the potential foreshadowing regarding two people's fates.

[Alleo]

Many iconic TV show moments involve the deaths of major characters, though. At some point, a cast becomes bloated - and much like how hiring actors is expensive on a consistent basis, so too is it the case with voice actors.

Which they could simply solve by them staying in Eorzea after what happens in 6.0 while the WoL travels on and meets new faces. They dont need to kill NPCs off just to make place.

Death should have a meaning, at least in a story. Its not real life where one can simply just slip on a wet street and break their neck. They take their time (expansions even) to built up these characters. It would be imo a absolute waste to kill them just because. Death just loses any meanings then and people might just stop caring for the characters at all. For example I do find Ysayles death fitting while I just cant accept Haurchefant. Both of these characters were part of my favorites (only the twins left v_v) yet his death hit me way harder and not only because of sadness but because I was so angry that they decided to kill him of in that way. It felt utterly wasted. Just a death here for cheap tragedy...

I have no problem if they kill of some of the scions but only if it makes sense. Only if it matters and there is no way to prevent it. Then it truly hits you. Just like how in the manga One Piece barely anyone of the known characters die. For the mangaka death is a cheap way out, especially for the bad guys. He believes that crushing their dreams hits harder. There is still death but mostly in the past or at the side. So when he killed of a certain person, it was like a punsh to the stomach. It was fitting for the character and it greatly influenced the main character.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I think the main problem here is, no they shouldn’t be killing off main characters left and right but i don’t think anyone is asking for that. But they shouldn’t completely throw the story plot out of the window and create plot holes or incredible plot armor for a character just to keep them alive. They did this with Graha, TWICE. Ignoring past lore points they had specifically set up against him just to keep him alive because he was a fan favorite. When it contradicts the story to do that, that’s when i take issue with it. In regards to consequences now though. There’s a literal apocalypse starting. The stakes are the highest theyve ever been. It’s ignorant to think that everyone is going to come out unscathed lmao. This is a literal global wide catastrophe that destroyed ancient civilization and now it’s happening again. In regards to them spending expansions building up a character, yes i agree that it’s a waste to kill them off before they’ve truly flourished(it’s why i absolutely hate 5.3 and the direction they took with Elidibus). But if done right it can be meaningful and impactful still. But we shouldn’t just say “oh i hope this character doesn’t die because i LOVE them and they’re the cutest and coolest thing ever.” That’s idiotic.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Y'shtola should die, primarily because she has cheated Death so many times, and there needs to be a Point where that luck runs out.
Alisaie, I feel like its being constantly hinted that she is destined for something greater and they are building her up for that with how much attention and responsibilities they are giving her this past expansion. Y'shtola's Death possibly making room for Alisaie to Step Up.

I dont think G'raha should die, not yet at least.

[Kyrj]

The MSQ is good but unlike others I'm not gonna suck it's toes either. It ABSOLUTELY does drag on in parts and is a major flaw for new players. Imagine your FC is getting together to do some doggo farming or Bozjan Front farming but because you didn't go collect 25 bear asses or 10 goblin armpit cheese you can't join in on the fun even though you may have a Job at the right level.

When I reached that point all I could think about was just skipping the MSQ, I can watch it all later at an Inn room anyways, I want to play with my friends.

[MilkieTea]

It took like... a few hours to finish the Post-MSQ if I remember correctly. It's not that long, honestly.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So the dev has made their position known on this.

The devs have also made their position on housing despite it being a handicap and a horrible system and here we are. Yes they’re the devs, but we’re the players. We’re the one paying for the game and we have a say in what we want(or at least in a perfect world we *should*).

[Sotaris]

We’re the one paying for the game and we have a say in what we want(or at least in a perfect world we *should*).

Perfect world yes. lol

[Breezelyn]

This thread is STILL going? I seriously doubt the MSQ formula is going to change. Arguing on the forums isn't going do anything, since SE caters to their JP players than NA/EU players at the end of the day.

Keep going though; I want to see more pointless arguments. Good to read when bored. :P