Worried for SCH

[Kacho_Nacho]

Sage isn't going to have pets so it's probably going to be better out of the gate unless big changes come to SCH.

Dissipation is a huge step backward for SCH.

I think a whole lot of people will jump on Sage. At least for a month.

I feel it's too soon to guess what Sage will play like. Whether it will be better out of the gate than Scholar is hard to say.

Dissipation is not a step backward. It brings in a meaningful choice. Do you wait for Aetherflow or do you say goodbye to your fairy for opportunity to use three abilities immediately with a power boost? This is more engaging than using your healing abilities by rote.

You are completely right about people jumping on Sage when it comes out. It's natural to want to check out the latest thing.

[Deceptus]

I feel it's too soon to guess what Sage will play like. Whether it will be better out of the gate than Scholar is hard to say.

Dissipation is not a step backward. It brings in a meaningful choice. Do you wait for Aetherflow or do you say goodbye to your fairy for opportunity to use three abilities immediately with a power boost? This is more engaging than using your healing abilities by rote.

I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES. It only affects spells. Physic, Adloquium, Succor. That's it. Those are the ONLY spells it affects.

Those 3 extra stacks of Aetherflow you get when you lose your fairy for 30s? Dissipate will affect zero of the abilities that aetherflow consumes.

3 actions out of a total of 11 healing actions are affected by Dissipate, of those three you might only use one (Adlo). And you lose your fairy to do it.

That is why Dissipate is extremely underwhelming

[Eloah]

I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES. It only affects spells. Physic, Adloquium, Succor. That's it. Those are the ONLY spells it affects.

3 actions out of a total of 11 healing actions are affected by Dissipate, of those three you might only use one (Adlo). And you lose your fairy to do it.

That is why Dissipate is extremely underwhelming

Plus Dissipation locks you out of using 1/3 of your kit with the Faerie skills. Dissipation, Fey Union, and Seraph all lock the other skill out of use, an issue AST and WHM do not have. Hopefully 6.0 will finally fix Dissipation. I still say it should become a burst aoe attack that also applies a shield to all party members.

[Ftail]

Don’t worry guys, I heard from an inside source they are removing our dot, single and AOE attack spell. We will have no attack spells next expansion, but we will be able to summon our chocobos in instanced quests to complete them now.

We will now play healers the way god (Yoshi P) intended. /s

[Liam_Harper]

We've learned from BLU they can actually code abilities that only function while solo in instanced content (Base Instinct) so it's not impossible for them to add a tag to healer dps that means they don't function in instanced content with two or more players :P

[SpiralMask]

personally if sage is solid i'll probably swap from SCH to it unless SCH gets a major rework, since currently it suffers from all the wonderful "quirks" of having a pet (ghosting, positioning, needless/possibly deadly action delay, completely vestigial fairy guage, dissipation being at odds with the kit, seraph's duration being roughly half of whats advertised due to unskippable actionlocks when summoning/leaving, the list continues)

which of course that whole statement is going to be entirely determined by how the healer role itself is treated next expansion, since neither will be worth playing in the first place if it's going to be as soul-crushingly boring as it is currently (zero downtime activities for when healing isnt required, be it dps, guage management, buff management, etc etc etc)

[Raikai]

personally if sage is solid i'll probably swap from SCH to it unless SCH gets a major rework, since currently it suffers from all the wonderful "quirks" of having a pet (ghosting, positioning, needless/possibly deadly action delay, completely vestigial fairy guage, dissipation being at odds with the kit, seraph's duration being roughly half of whats advertised due to unskippable actionlocks when summoning/leaving, the list continues)

which of course that whole statement is going to be entirely determined by how the healer role itself is treated next expansion, since neither will be worth playing in the first place if it's going to be as soul-crushingly boring as it is currently (zero downtime activities for when healing isnt required, be it dps, guage management, buff management, etc etc etc)

I'm with the thought that SCH will be heavily reworked, both because a new dedicated shielder will come to the game and because they'll have to balance the fact that there's gonna be a shielding/direct heals setup all the time for 8 mans.

Honestly, I just want it for them to turn the faeries just into spell animations, so those "quirks" can finally be addressed. It's like the SMN. They've been trying to mess around with how the pet works for years and didn't solve the problem. On the contrary, with more pet skills being added for SCH, it just made it worse. Optimizing Seraph usage is the most frustrating thing ever...

[NobleWinter]

Plus Dissipation locks you out of using 1/3 of your kit with the Faerie skills. Dissipation, Fey Union, and Seraph all lock the other skill out of use, an issue AST and WHM do not have.

I love Dissipation and how Scholar has an actual healing rotation. The fact Dissipation only works on spells and removes the fairy told me I should only be using Dissipation if I don't need my fairy. I should be using Fey Union if I don't need Seraph. It creates this interesting script because everything fits together effectively. WHM and Astro can literally combo everything they have all at once and its bit overwhelming when every skill does the same thing and can be used together. How much is too much. No one is gonna complain if you use Tenperance, Asylum, and Plenary Indulgence to press cure Cure 3 once but its most likely a waste and a ton of overhealing for the average raidwide. Scholar forces you to space apart your tools so there is always something available. When you do it right and the puzzle pieces fit together over a dungeon or trial right on time its incredibly rewarding to me. I hope they leave Dissipation as it is. Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, Fey Union, and Seraph are not difficult to use outside of the tiny Dissipation Window. Removing Dissipation would ruin a lot of what I enjoy about the class. Its a tactical healer and strong abilities that demand their own solo time to shine is what makes Scholar Tactical.

[Jirah]

Im really hoping for a semi SCH rework, similiar to what they did with MCH.

Ok this is the 5th or 6th time ive seen MCH referenced as some sort of golden child of reworks and im convinced either its from Non MCH mains, new players or people that dont dps which is fair

but for god sakes MCH isnt what reworks are supposed to be!! What they actually did was removed several central mechanics gave it to DNC then continue to replace most of its kit with GCD that add as much to a job as a very flashy painting adds to a car, that is to say bugger all. No ammo, no free reign turrets, no support, no interesting or unique mechanics all out the window for the sake of accessibility

Wishing for SCH to be like that is having it have 4 skills in its kit with a designated "heal" button. Im obviously blowing this out of proportion but MCH is the rework that made way to numerous bad decisions like how they handled BRD, AST, MNK, and im confident many more jobs to come. Lets not wish the same treatment

[Saefinn]

I'm personally going to wait til fanfest at the earliest, and the job actions trailer at the latest, before I start crying doom and gloom. While we can assume all we like that it's going to be the worst case scenario. We don't have enough evidence and there's always that slimmest of slim chance that they've received our feedback over the past two years.

I think it's fair for people to be worried especially based on track record and direction. I know my main one is between how they're gonna handle the Pure/Shield heals split, they never stopped SCH being classed as a shield healer, yet, it has functionally drifted away from playing as a shield healer over time because of its boosts to pure healing.

But yeah, that's all they can be at this stage, a worry. What we do know have the potential to be good and it's going to depend on execution and what else they do.