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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Sage isn't going to have pets so it's probably going to be better out of the gate unless big changes come to SCH.

    Dissipation is a huge step backward for SCH.

    I think a whole lot of people will jump on Sage. At least for a month.
    I feel it's too soon to guess what Sage will play like. Whether it will be better out of the gate than Scholar is hard to say.

    Dissipation is not a step backward. It brings in a meaningful choice. Do you wait for Aetherflow or do you say goodbye to your fairy for opportunity to use three abilities immediately with a power boost? This is more engaging than using your healing abilities by rote.

    You are completely right about people jumping on Sage when it comes out. It's natural to want to check out the latest thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    I feel it's too soon to guess what Sage will play like. Whether it will be better out of the gate than Scholar is hard to say.

    Dissipation is not a step backward. It brings in a meaningful choice. Do you wait for Aetherflow or do you say goodbye to your fairy for opportunity to use three abilities immediately with a power boost? This is more engaging than using your healing abilities by rote.
    I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

    DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES. It only affects spells. Physic, Adloquium, Succor. That's it. Those are the ONLY spells it affects.

    Those 3 extra stacks of Aetherflow you get when you lose your fairy for 30s? Dissipate will affect zero of the abilities that aetherflow consumes.

    3 actions out of a total of 11 healing actions are affected by Dissipate, of those three you might only use one (Adlo). And you lose your fairy to do it.

    That is why Dissipate is extremely underwhelming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

    DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES. It only affects spells. Physic, Adloquium, Succor. That's it. Those are the ONLY spells it affects.

    3 actions out of a total of 11 healing actions are affected by Dissipate, of those three you might only use one (Adlo). And you lose your fairy to do it.

    That is why Dissipate is extremely underwhelming
    Plus Dissipation locks you out of using 1/3 of your kit with the Faerie skills. Dissipation, Fey Union, and Seraph all lock the other skill out of use, an issue AST and WHM do not have. Hopefully 6.0 will finally fix Dissipation. I still say it should become a burst aoe attack that also applies a shield to all party members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Plus Dissipation locks you out of using 1/3 of your kit with the Faerie skills. Dissipation, Fey Union, and Seraph all lock the other skill out of use, an issue AST and WHM do not have.
    I love Dissipation and how Scholar has an actual healing rotation. The fact Dissipation only works on spells and removes the fairy told me I should only be using Dissipation if I don't need my fairy. I should be using Fey Union if I don't need Seraph. It creates this interesting script because everything fits together effectively. WHM and Astro can literally combo everything they have all at once and its bit overwhelming when every skill does the same thing and can be used together. How much is too much. No one is gonna complain if you use Tenperance, Asylum, and Plenary Indulgence to press cure Cure 3 once but its most likely a waste and a ton of overhealing for the average raidwide. Scholar forces you to space apart your tools so there is always something available. When you do it right and the puzzle pieces fit together over a dungeon or trial right on time its incredibly rewarding to me. I hope they leave Dissipation as it is. Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, Fey Union, and Seraph are not difficult to use outside of the tiny Dissipation Window. Removing Dissipation would ruin a lot of what I enjoy about the class. Its a tactical healer and strong abilities that demand their own solo time to shine is what makes Scholar Tactical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

    DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES. It only affects spells. Physic, Adloquium, Succor. That's it. Those are the ONLY spells it affects.

    Those 3 extra stacks of Aetherflow you get when you lose your fairy for 30s? Dissipate will affect zero of the abilities that aetherflow consumes.

    3 actions out of a total of 11 healing actions are affected by Dissipate, of those three you might only use one (Adlo). And you lose your fairy to do it.

    That is why Dissipate is extremely underwhelming
    I apologize, Deceptus. My understanding of the buff was incorrect. It is odd how it works, isn't it? It really should be a buff of the abilities we need the aetherflow stacks for in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    I love Dissipation and how Scholar has an actual healing rotation. The fact Dissipation only works on spells and removes the fairy told me I should only be using Dissipation if I don't need my fairy. I should be using Fey Union if I don't need Seraph. It creates this interesting script because everything fits together effectively. WHM and Astro can literally combo everything they have all at once and its bit overwhelming when every skill does the same thing and can be used together. How much is too much. No one's gonna complain if you use Temperance, Asylum, and Plenary Indulgence to press cure Cure 3 once but its most likely a waste and a ton of overhealing for the average raidwide. Scholar forces you to space apart your tools so there is always something available. When you do it right and the puzzle pieces fit together over a dungeon or trial right on time it's incredibly rewarding to me. I hope they leave Dissipation as it is. Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, Fey Union, and Seraph are not difficult to use outside of the tiny Dissipation Window. Removing Dissipation would ruin a lot of what I enjoy about the class. It's a tactical healer and strong abilities that demand their own solo time to shine is what makes Scholar Tactical.
    That's my feelings also. I've been a white mage since I began playing; but, I've noticed that in spite of the job's issues, I enjoy enjoy playing scholar more.

    It feels like I'm doing more than throwing mana at a problem. I am using my wits and my toolkit to overcome the game's challenges. It's way more rewarding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I don't know how many times this has to be explained:

    DISSIPATION DOES NOT AFFECT ABILITIES.
    I personally interpreted the "Power Boost" as meaning "I have the three extra stacks". Yes I agree that Dissipation should've effected actions as well. but at the same time you're still trading your faerie for extra healing or damage in a moment where the faerie is likely spent and not contributing much. Dissipation was fine as soon as they added the fact the faerie automatically return. Personally? I'd rather have the PVP version of the skill that but would require completely reworking the current system of how our OGCDs work to make sense.
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