6.0 Story Speculations

[Katie_Kitty]

Why would Azem balk at the summoning of one primal and then turn around to be hypocritical and summon a second one using the exact same method the first was summoned?

I honestly can not see Azem even wanting to participate in that type of Summoning Ritual.

All things considered, I agree with this. I don't think we're gonna find out that Azem had any role in Hydaelyn's summoning. I think it's more likely that, after discovering that the convocation had been tempered and thus won't listen to her, she started trying to solve the root cause of the problem. She didn't succeed in time to stop the summoning and the sundering, but I bet there's something out there just waiting for us to find that will blow the whole case wide open for us to go and resolve personally once and for all.

[WhiteArchmage]

Honestly, I think the only way "Azem" would have been part of Hydaelin's summoning is if Her Summoners made their own version of the Convocation and took on the titles of the members of the Convocation... but I don't see any practical reason to have done that outside of mockery, and from what little we saw of them they didn't seem the type to do something like that.

As for The Twelve being Azem and Friends... I mean... maybe? Wasn't it mentioned at some point that every so often a group of Brave Warriors show up and people think they're the Twelve reincarnated? While WoL = Azem = Azim/Azeyma IS an easy one. The rest of the Scions... I wouldn't bet on it...

[MoofiaBossVal]

The rest of the Scions... I wouldn't bet on it...

Of the Scions, only Krile and Minfillia had the echo. Thancred, Y'shtola, Urianger, G'raha Tia, and the Twins have seen meteors falling from the sky at least two or three times (1.0 intro cutscene, fall of Dalamud at the end of 1.0, Elidibus' starshower in the Crystarium) but never awoke an echo, so they can't be reincarnations of Ancients.

[BlitzAceRush]

I don't think we know enough yet to be sure one way or the other, while Azem walked out on the Convocation and refused to partake in the summoning of Zodiark, situations and opinions change we don't know how desperate or what went on after, beyond a few parts told to us from a man who admits he's biased and some paintings with no context except from said man.
While Azem may have wanted nothing to do with summoning and saw Hydaelyn as throwing fire on more fire, it may have been their only idea at the time.

A theory I've had since we found out 6.0 might have nods to FFX is, if the sound is sentient and is our "Yu Yevon" then the Ancients might have been playing right into it's hands with their plan, perhaps Zodiark is the "Sin" in this equation and they just delivered it right to the sound. Perhaps Azem realized this, not the why but that the sounds needed/wanted/could corrupt Zodiark just like it had everything else and either through luck or foresight came to the conclusion that he had to go and quickly, Hydaelyn just happened to be a ready to go option and they were short on time.

While it's likely if it could get Zodiark it could also get Hydaelyn, she was summoned with few compared to him, they may have just seen her as a surmountable problem if it came to that verses him. Or perhaps it already got inside him, perhaps we'll learn the sound already took hold of Zodiark and by extension the Convocation, that's the secret Azem learned and why they agreed to help summon Hydaelyn, because this needed to be contained, it could no longer be destroyed, it could have even gotten into Hydaelyn, she may not have even known it, that could be the interference, why she's no longer speaking, she might have, in one last desperate attempt to contain it, sealed herself away while she still had control.

[Neoyoshi]

If Zenos doesn't help Zodiark break out of his/her/it's moon-prison and then merge with Zodiark, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. xD

Also, Fandaniel seems like he just doesn't want to exist period, and wants to take everything to oblivion with him.

Seeems like it would be easier if he just killed himself, but well, then there goes the story.

*sighs* I hope the new story doesn't involve characters like Fandaniel or Zenos anymore, these types of 2-dimensional characters have some of the most shallow and nonsense motivations and drives. You can't have meaningful moments with characters like this that either learn or evolve from their misdeeds like many of the other great villain's in story-telling.

[KageTokage]

If Zenos doesn't help Zodiark break out of his/her/it's moon-prison and then merge with Zodiark, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. xD

I'd honestly be disappointed if that did happen just because it's the most predictable direction they could take the story in.

I'd rather it turn out that Zodiark is simply means to an end and that his power is going to be drained into some kind of nastier doomsday primal.

[Rosenstrauch]

Of the Scions, only Krile and Minfillia had the echo. Thancred, Y'shtola, Urianger, G'raha Tia, and the Twins have seen meteors falling from the sky at least two or three times (1.0 intro cutscene, fall of Dalamud at the end of 1.0, Elidibus' starshower in the Crystarium) but never awoke an echo, so they can't be reincarnations of Ancients.

You can probably count both the 5.0 trip through Amaurot (the dungeon) and the 5.3 starshower as well, bringing all six of them up to four to five times. And Ryne, oddly enough, to three times.

But yeah, this is what I meant before. If the Twelve were Hydaelyn's summoners, then the number of people who could plausibly be reincarnations of them is dropped down to a handful of characters. Off the top of my head, the only Source-bound, non-Ascian characters known to have the Echo would be the WoL, Arenvald, Minfilia, Krile, Ysayle, and Mikoto. Oh, and the Sahagin priest whose soul was eaten by Leviathan. I'm sure there were a lot more back in 1.0, which was before my time, but they all seem to have either died or gone missing, I guess?

EDIT: Thinking about that, it's actually kind of sad. Minfilia founded the Path of the Twelve for the purpose of gathering people with the Echo and helping them understand and use it for Eorzea's betterment. But between the switch over to 2.0, the events of 2.0-2.55, and her death, the Path of the Twelve basically doesn't exist anymore outside of the WoL and maybe Arenvald and Krile. Everyone else is either a member of the Circle of Knowing or one of Alphinaud's hired mercenaries who stuck around after the Crystal Braves imploded.

[Neoyoshi]

I'd honestly be disappointed if that did happen just because it's the most predictable direction they could take the story in.

I'd rather it turn out that Zodiark is simply means to an end and that his power is going to be drained into some kind of nastier doomsday primal.

Speculations aside, I do hope these Moon towers across Erozea is some hint of a world event slowly forming in the sky. (1.0 Meteor.) Because I've began noticing sonar-like pulsing effects coming from the towers after the most recent patch that I don't remember seeing when I caught up to the end of 5.4's story. Or maybe I'm just not remembering them, i hope that's not the case; because I want to see a 2nd Meteor event, so badly. xD

[Kesey]

You can probably count both the 5.0 trip through Amaurot (the dungeon) and the 5.3 starshower as well, bringing all six of them up to four to five times. And Ryne, oddly enough, to three times.

But yeah, this is what I meant before. If the Twelve were Hydaelyn's summoners, then the number of people who could plausibly be reincarnations of them is dropped down to a handful of characters. Off the top of my head, the only Source-bound, non-Ascian characters known to have the Echo would be the WoL, Arenvald, Minfilia, Krile, Ysayle, and Mikoto. Oh, and the Sahagin priest whose soul was eaten by Leviathan. I'm sure there were a lot more back in 1.0, which was before my time, but they all seem to have either died or gone missing, I guess?

EDIT: Thinking about that, it's actually kind of sad. Minfilia founded the Path of the Twelve for the purpose of gathering people with the Echo and helping them understand and use it for Eorzea's betterment. But between the switch over to 2.0, the events of 2.0-2.55, and her death, the Path of the Twelve basically doesn't exist anymore outside of the WoL and maybe Arenvald and Krile. Everyone else is either a member of the Circle of Knowing or one of Alphinaud's hired mercenaries who stuck around after the Crystal Braves imploded.

I'm not sure it matters if they have the echo currently, as all life has some small part of Ancient's aether in their soul. Just some people don't awaken their echo.

Maybe they will explain better in 6.0 who does or does not awaken to the echo?

[Bhearil]

I'm not sure it matters if they have the echo currently, as all life has some small part of Ancient's aether in their soul. Just some people don't awaken their echo.

Maybe they will explain better in 6.0 who does or does not awaken to the echo?

Actually they dont, Ascians didnt had the monopoly of souls even if part of the new souls did get "recycled" from them so to speak. Even using the eastern philosophy of reincarnation Ascians were only a part of the total souls in the star's cycle and thats the main reason they were so willing to sacrifice the entire non Ascian population, because most were of non ascian souls with just a small part being Ascian shards.

If all of the new life were ascian shards they would have had a much harder time to deciding sacrificing them considering as a race they are selfless enough to willingly sacrifice so many of their kin to save the star.