Removal of Piety and Tenacity for Endwalker

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Maybe in a perfect world where mistakes never happen and no one does 24 person raids.

Situations like that do happen quite often in 24 person raids, tanks constantly fighting each other for enmity is pretty common.
You can't even shirk an alliance member anyway, they have to be in the same party.

The new Nier raid for example, I've walked in with tank gear item level lower than the other tanks.
More often then not I end up taking top enmity due to the direct hit bonuses and avoidance of Tenacity.
I don't even claim to be a GOOD tank but somehow generate more enmity than people who play nothing but tank with higher item level.

I mean, that could have nothing at all to do with direct hit and everything to do with them being bad at their jobs. Which happens with every job.

Also, wouldn't that mean you are the bad tank, since you are making the boss spin by fighting over enmity?

[Timmyftw]

Also, wouldn't that mean you are the bad tank, since you are making the boss spin by fighting over enmity?

Never said anything spinning the boss, that is your assumption.
I tend to main tank northward and don't typically lose aggro.
Hell, they provoke and still don't get the enmity first slot.

You probably didn't take aggro from another tank simply because of DH and tenacity, the difference in damage isn't that large unless someone is missing materia or stacking tenacity.
You took aggro because you were dpsing with tank stance on while they were tanking.

Yes, main tanks do usually dps with tank stance on... Northward, away from the party.
Which is the normal spot I go to when I have the enmity.

All they need to do is buff Tenacity by about 1.5-2% damage to equal Determination's damage increase.

Believe that would be the best solution, outside of removing the Tenacity and Piety stats.
While they are at it... make Piety give a damage boost too, otherwise healers will meld Direct Hit, Critical, or Determination. In that order.

[NanaWiloh]

Ignore the quite a bit part of my post above..wrong wording for how much you need.

[Nethereal]

Yes, main tanks do usually dps with tank stance on... Northward, away from the party.
Which is the normal spot I go to when I have the enmity.

Who said anything about main tanks? Your exact words were:

The new Nier raid for example, I've walked in with tank gear item level lower than the other tanks.
More often then not I end up taking top enmity due to the direct hit bonuses and avoidance of Tenacity.
I don't even claim to be a GOOD tank but somehow generate more enmity than people who play nothing but tank with higher item level.

The only thing being insinuated here is that you are unintentionally taking aggro off the main tanks there's nothing here about actually tanking not to mention main tanking, don't strawman people like that.

[Timmyftw]

Who said anything about main tanks?
The only thing being insinuated here is that you are unintentionally taking aggro off the main tanks there's nothing here about actually tanking not to mention main tanking, don't strawman people like that.

Take your own advice when you mentioned, parsing numbers, spinning bosses, and now make more assumptions.
Also I never said I was taking aggro unintentionally, it's very much intentional, otherwise I'd turn tank stance off.
If you maintain top enmity, you are the main tank now. That is just how it is.

Regardless, the consensus seems to be,
Tenacity and Piety should give damage bonuses higher or equal to a dps stat like Direct Hit, Critical, or Determination,
Otherwise we'll never meld Tenacity or Piety given the choice at end game.
Or rip out the whole materia system and overhaul it.

[Nethereal]

Take your own advice when you mentioned, parsing numbers, spinning bosses, and now make more assumptions.
Also I never said I was taking aggro unintentionally, it's very much intentional, otherwise I'd turn tank stance off.
If you maintain top enmity, you are the main tank now. That is just how it is.

Regardless, the consensus seems to be,
Tenacity and Piety should give damage bonuses higher or equal to a dps stat like Direct Hit, Critical, or Determination,
Otherwise we'll never meld Tenacity or Piety given the choice at end game.
Or rip out the whole materia system and overhaul it.

•Never Said anything about parsing
•Never said anything about spinning bosses
•Maintaining top emnity does not make you the main tank, that's not just how it is

I thought your intellectual dishonesty was unintentional but I now realize how very wrong I was based on some of the outlandish stuff you've typed. I suppose it's my fault for talking with an alt.
If you're a troll, good job. If not, maybe look at taking a different perspective in life.