Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

People who play catgirls shouldn't throw ERP stones.

In more seriousness: like BunniEclair said, it's a non-argument. People want/would want any race for ERP, even lalafell. Saying "many people" is a strawman. "many people" want them because they like the race but don't want to play a female character, "many people" want them because they just want to see what the dev team does with them, "many people" want them to make the world feel more complete instead of "oh, you JUST missed him! He would have liked you!"

I think it's safe to say it's true. To quote. "fetishizing" bunny boys, I think is a huge reason for it. It can be said, that is probably one of the reasons some of the devs may have been uncomfortable with making bunny suits for male characters. For that matter, where's the same fervor for female hrothgar? I think the people who want these races to be 'complete', or to make the world feel 'complete', is much less so.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Congratulations that's the same explanation the Males need, they don't need any other.

Lazy cop-out. No Thanks.

These are not the same Viera from the Ivalice Alliance games. You can tell by their faces, you can tell by their lack of claws, you can tell by their feet, you can tell by their naming conventions, you can tell by their societal structures (the males aren't solitary in XII, they just live in separate villages), you can tell from their Racial Gear (which should have been the average Eruyt Village but is instead Fran's particular outfit), heck, you can tell from THEIR EARS (Fran's sit more to the sides of her head, they point outwards more obviously). Anything that changes to the Viera Lore in this game will not repercute on Ivalice Lore, and Ivalice Lore is not binding to XIV Lore.

This doesn't mean anything. They are still Viera. They arn't some new subspecies under a new name; related to the Viera that are now being introduced that just outright sidesteps and ignores the Original Canon they come from like it doesnt exist. The fact they are still using the same area they come from means they are somewhat grounded and binded to the Original Viera. So, it would be cool if they are gonna use Viera, to actually give us Viera.
If they are a new original Subspecies under a new name, then whatever. Its not as big a deal cause then they literally wouldn't be Viera from XII or Tactics.

[WhiteArchmage]

They arn't some new subspecies under a new name; related to the Viera that are now being introduced that just outright sidesteps and ignores the Original Canon they come from like it doesnt exist.

You finally got it. They are a new, similar, species using the same name, because this is a game made on fanservice. Just pretend they're called Viis like in the First. Golmore Jungle isn't the same as it was in XII. Orbonne Monastery isn't the same as it was in Tactics. The Espers don't have the same backstories. Basch is Gabranth's FATHER. Ashe and Rasler are TWINS. Fran isn't the same character as in XII, she's just a character who happens to share her name and likeness BECAUSE FANSERVICE.

And for the record, being introduced in THIS game would actually be the closest we got to the males being introduced in a Matsuno game. Because Matsuno left SE and is only working on Ivalice/Bozja at Yoshi-P's insistence because he's a huge Matsuno fanboy. Matsuno gave his blessing for the males to be introduced, and considering that Yoshi-P's a Matsuno fanboy, he'd likely ask him for a text blurb for whichever male Viera NPC shows up in the story.

I think it's safe to say it's true. To quote. "fetishizing" bunny boys, I think is a huge reason for it. It can be said, that is probably one of the reasons some of the devs may have been uncomfortable with making bunny suits for male characters. For that matter, where's the same fervor for female hrothgar? I think the people who want these races to be 'complete', or to make the world feel 'complete', is much less so.

here. And btw, I've mentioned both in THIS thread and on THAT thread how the story has to twist itself into knots to remind us Female Hrothgar exist, they're just off-screen. "The Queen is normally a Hrothgar, BUT THIS ONE WAS A ROEGADYN!"

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You finally got it. They are a new, similar, species using the same name, because this is a game made on fanservice. Just pretend they're called Viis like in the First. Golmore Jungle isn't the same as it was in XII. Orbonne Monastery isn't the same as it was in Tactics. Fran isn't the same character as in XII, she's just a character who happens to share her name and likeness BECAUSE FANSERVICE.

That doesn't track or make any amount of sense.
If they are that different, then why are they literally using the same...everything? They could have the same effect if they actually changed things. The Viera themselves is fanservice, so you dont need Fran to sell them. If thats not Fran, then whats the point? Any ol Viera with some effort put into the design would be good. Heck some look alike non-canon twin sister with a new name would be better then just using Fran and telling me its not Fran

If the Viera on the 1st was the Viera for all of XIV, it would be one thing. But that is exclusive to the 1st.

[AxelBranford]

That doesn't track or make any amount of sense.
If they are that different, then why are they literally using the same...everything? They could have the same effect if they actually changed things. The Viera themselves is fanservice, so you dont need Fran to sell them. If thats not Fran, then whats the point? Any ol Viera with some effort put into the design would be good. Heck some look alike non-canon twin sister with a new name would be better then just using Fran and telling me its not Fran

If the Viera on the 1st was the Viera for all of XIV, it would be one thing. But that is exclusive to the 1st.

By your logic, Hrothgar would not be a new unique race too... as it is tied to the Ronsos.

[WhiteArchmage]

Because, and I need you to understand this: Yoshi-P. Is a huge. Matsuno. Fanboy. This was literally already answered when they announced Return to Ivalice: This is NOT the same Ivalice as the games. This is an Ivalice-shaped piece of content welded into the world of FFXIV by Matsuno.

They're not using the same everything. I've already mentioned just A FEW of the differences between Ivalician Viera and XIV Viera. They're not even using the same names! Fran is the only Viera with the same name from XII, and if you notice her model, it's different from the other Viera because it's her model from XII:TZA put into XIV (it's the ears, you can tell).

It's a fanservice reference in a game built of fanservice references, how is that so hard to understand?

[BunniEclair]

--Viera isn't a new race, it comes from Ivalice which has had its own series of games under the Final Fantasy Name. Hrothgar and Au-Ra are new original races..

Male viera have next to no lore in any of the Ivalice games. There is no lore to break in regards to them other than “they are reclusive and skilled warriors”. Still, given that they worked with Matsuno for the Ivalice raids, it stands to reason that they would consult him in their creation of male viera as well. I can’t see why they wouldn’t, and Matsuno was quick to shut down the rumor that he didn’t want them in the game when asked about it on Twitter.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

By your logic, Hrothgar would not be a new unique race too... as it is tied to the Ronsos.

The only thing Hrothgar have related to Ronsos is that they are called that on the 1st, and one customization option that features a Unicorn Horn.
Otherwise they have nothing to do with Ronso, they are not from the Snow Mountains. Ronso dont live under a Queen, they live by the word of an Elder. And Ronso Males are born with Horns.

2 completely different things.

It's a fanservice reference in a game built of fanservice references, how is that so hard to understand?

The only thing hard to understand here, is why is it so bad to expand on Viera lore to include the males coming out of hiding? And just not be lazy about it?

Male viera have next to no lore in any of the Ivalice games. There is no lore to break in regards to them other than “they are reclusive and skilled warriors”. Still, given that they worked with Matsuno for the Ivalice raids, it stands to reason that they would consult him in their creation of male viera as well. I can’t see why they wouldn’t, and Matsuno was quick to shut down the rumor that he didn’t want them in the game when asked about it on Twitter.

Male Viera are still Viera. And their exclusion from their own games is something worth exploring. If there is no reason to it, then why was it a thing, why have we never seen a Male Viera? The tiny bits of things we know about them has to have a reason behind it, or at the very least it would be fun to explore. So with what we dont know, it would be great TO know something.
For it to be glossed over like it never happened and here are Male Viera suddenly....its just lazy

[WhiteArchmage]

The only thing hard to understand here, is why is it so bad to expand on Viera lore to include the males coming out of hiding? And just not be lazy about it?

I never said it was bad. I said it's not needed because the same Lore that lets the Females break free from their societal expectations and flee the Wood would let a Male do that. I've even said it's likely that a Viera NPC we meet will have a snippet about how and/or why he left the Wood (and there could be DOZENS of explanations, from being born from a Woman that fled the Wood and as such was recruited by a Warden, to, simply, "tradition is peer pressure from dead people" and peacing out in search of Adventure... as the PC is already hinted to be), but it's not needed for PCs for the mountain of reasons I've laid out across 1369 pages.

If it helps you consider this Fran to NOT be XII Fran:

In practice, however, one will rarely encounter a Viera using her forest name, as those who choose to strike out into the wider world will generally choose new "city names" to mark their parting from the traditional Viera way of life. These chosen names are often inspired by the names of other races they encounter, or simply things that they like, such as "Cherry" or "Morning Glory", and so vary widely between individuals. Incidentally, "Fran" is one such name.

Source

Fran's name in FFXII is her "Forest Name", as both of her sisters call her that. In XIV, Fran is her CHOSEN name, so her Forest name is unknown. Ergo, it's not Fran from FFXII, it's an identical stranger using her name for reasons (coughfanservicecough).

[BunniEclair]

I think it's safe to say it's true. To quote. "fetishizing" bunny boys, I think is a huge reason for it. It can be said, that is probably one of the reasons some of the devs may have been uncomfortable with making bunny suits for male characters. For that matter, where's the same fervor for female hrothgar? I think the people who want these races to be 'complete', or to make the world feel 'complete', is much less so.

There is a lot of room between “I like this and think it’s cool” and “I want this to satisfy my sexual desires”. The bunny suits are not even relevant here. They weren’t uncomfortable because it was a bunny specifically, if they were uncomfortable it was because it’s a skimpy set using silhouettes traditionally used for women (bustier, fishnets, heels, etc).

I don’t understand why suddenly bunny ears is where we are like “oh god they just want to lewd them!!!”. In fact I don’t get the weird obsession with a subset of players that viera are somehow more ERP bait than any other race.