DPS who pull mobs

[Tommara]

See, for example, https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ll-mobs/page28

Whether or not you believe that i've said it before many times is irrelevant.

Even if you think it's the first time I've said it, it does not invalidate my point.

That speed is not sufficient reason for dps pulling to be a good thing, unless the tank and healer both are ok with it, or you are willing to die if you decide to take one for the team, in which case, suck it up and don't complain.

[HollyJollyPaca]

Only time a pull is when the tank just ain't doing their job. I've had tanks go down empty corridors and standing there confused, and since I don't have keyboard on my PS4, me pulling is a sign that "Hey, this way".

That or I'm in Praetorium and we're all just rushing to get through that hell. XD

[ForteNightshade]

Just gonna be that person and say that it's not up to you or anyone to decide what someone will get out of any particular dungeon or activity in general on their first run through of it. Yes dungeons in a blanket sense all work in the same fashion (run down hall, kill things, kill boss, repeat) but boss mechs and other aspects may be different (on the rare occasion having someone stop the party to ask questions about why they died in the last boss) and I also have run with a handful of people in DF who enjoy stopping to read the lore scattered in places. It's kind of really up to the person themselves what they get out of it.

We're not talking about bosses though, but rather pull sizes. Frankly, trash mobs are more relevant than any dungeon boss as wall pulling can actually hurt. And it isn't about "who gets to decide." Literally every trash pull in this game can boil down to "rotate CDs". The whole experience is painfully linear. From 15-50, I can understand new players being more cautious but once you start tackling 50+ dungeons, they simply don't hurt. By 60-70, you aren't new anymore either. That excuse gets tired quickly. If you're still not comfortable pulling more than three mobs by level 70, go back into ARR dungeons until you are otherwise, use Trusts. Which is also what to use for reading the lore bits scattered around. Or Squadrons at lower levels.

If the tank refuses to grab aggro from someone and a wipe happens because of it, the wipe will be on the tank, not whoever pulled.
If the tank grabs aggro, and everyone does their job, but a wipe still happens, only then will it be on whoever pulled.

The irony is if the tank put aside their bruised ego and thought about it. They just got a free pass to test themselves. If the pull size is too much, they can blame whoever pulled. On the other hand, if they live just fine. Now they're ready for big pulls.

What I always find amusing about this argument is people quickly label the "puller" as a DPS when it's often the healer going ahead. And then suddenly the tank will get aggro. Almost like they know it's a wipe if they don't. So the whole "teaching a lesson" is usually one massive hypocrisy.

[Rinhi]

I'm the Tank! I lead the party! LISTEN TO ME!

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I'm the Tank! I lead the party! LISTEN TO ME!

You don't lead squat.

[Rinhi]

You don't lead squat.

you pull it you tank it!!!!!!!!

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

you pull it you tank it!!!!!!!!

Considering I usually pull on a healer when the tank (often overgeared for the run as it is, and ignoring AoE-heavy classes in the group) refuses to pull more than boring baby packs.... yeah, I usually can. I will also heal a DPS pulling ahead more than I will the tank who refuses to take aggro from them because they're a child on a power trip.

Do your job and grow up. Tanking takes zero effort anymore and you have no excuse for being lazy.

[Daibunnie]

Exactly and shirk them if you ask them to stop and they don't. The ok to pull if you're not a tank crowd on the forum is standard fare here. For the most part it rarely happens in dungeons. It's rare when pulls aren't 2 or 3 sets and usually happens in my experience with new to dungeon tanks and those who know they are under geared.

Refusing to take aggro when you're in the tank role is considered griefing and reportable. Also, its possible to complete current expert dungeons without a tank.

[LaylaTsarra]

Refusing to take aggro when you're in the tank role is considered griefing and reportable. Also, its possible to complete current expert dungeons without a tank.

No pulling mods ahead of the tank is griefing. You won't win that one with a GM. You can pretend to be big and bad though. We see this on forums all the time but it rarely happens in game.

[Daibunnie]

No pulling mods ahead of the tank is griefing. You won't win that one with a GM. You can pretend to be big and bad though. We see this on forums all the time but it rarely happens in game.

Doesn’t matter who pulls. The tanks job is to dps while holding aggro. Also, the battle log is available to the gms, and it’s very easy to spot that the tank shirked the dps/healer and got them killed.