To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

[Vahlnir]

No, its just you can look at other portions of the site and see different numbers. Top Growth doesnt share the same numbers with Total Active Players? Why?

If the numbers are completely accurate and all based on the same estimations -- then the number for total active players should be the same. So why does FF14 in the Top MMO category boast 2.36M active players on one list then drop to 400k when speaking about month growth (speaking for total population)?

For number sake -- the same growth list has WoW Retail at 2.11M on MMO Growth.

Even if you want to do the "Well its total active sub" -- then that list basically says that while people have active subs that only a fraction of people are actively playing in the previous month. If you do the math that means according to MMO-Population:

FF14's Active Player to Active Sub Ratio: is 19.4%
WoW's Active Player to Active Sub Ratio: is 64.7%

You could make the argument of content drought, but so is WoW currently. 9.1 for WoW is basically unknown currently for a release date and this is prime time to see sub drops from an extended release patch. People have already complained about lack of casual content and lack of will to do hefty grinds.

But -- if you want to tout the numbers of a website as this hierarch of truth: be prepared to use the full website and not only one part to get forum upvotes. We can clap for FF14 having a 10 in total active sub/total sub ever number -- but then have to eat the fact that apparently the game only has less than 1/5 of those active subs playing.

One thing to understand about current WoW is that the progression systems are basically holding players' subs hostage with how long things take, and their fear of falling behind is a major factor. Just because they have more subs and a more active player base, doesn't mean their game is actually in a good place. Luckily I saw the most recent expansion for what it was immediately, but it was blatantly obvious what their goal was...and it wasn't fun content.