For WoW refugees. What was not announced?

[Puremallace]

Anyone who comes from WoW when it comes times for an expansion announcement for some it is actually not a happy experience but a sense of fear and dread because I have heard this phrase before "oh god what new system do we have to grind".

Island Sanctuaries were announced and they are not locked behind you having to grind renown with your faction you picked. Given Squares history I do not expect them to be some time gated garbage where we can only do one new thing every other week.

Flight was not changed to require max reputation with every single new Beast tribe, plus multiple achievements and also arbitrary 1+ year wait times.

The new class Sage was announced and knowing Square all they said was you needed one character above 70 already. Now I gave Blizzard hell for this BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT it was because they also required you to have max rep in a faction to unlock them. Also in FF14 having level 70 on one character means you do not need to start another alt just to get the character you wanted in the first place.

Data center travels. This is basically free server transfers. Your characters home is still whatever you originally picked and there are rules to prevent RMT but please realize what we are being given for free.

These are just a few things I could think of and why Square Enix will continue to have my sub for the foreseeable future....also get rid of mettle loss in Bozdja (Delubrum and Castrum) if you are reading this.

[Rilifane]

Is it so impossible to simply enjoy a feature or announcement by it's own without going down the "tHiS iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN tHiS oThEr gAmE"?
Some FFXIV players are apparently not confident enough in the game they enjoy to just say "I like this. This is good. Period".

[Puremallace]

Is it so impossible to simply enjoy a feature or announcement by it's own without going down the "tHiS iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN tHiS oThEr gAmE"?

Some FFXIV players are apparently not confident enough in the game they enjoy to just say "I like this. This is good. Period".

No it really is not and pretending like Blizzard does not intentionally release their content on dates designed to over shadow FF14 launches is ridiculous. You think it was an accident they released their expansion one month later to literally line up with the same date FF14 was releasing the last big content patch?

They are competing and so should we. I have no PROBLEM reminding people why they picked FF14 over going back to WoW because vice versa they dump on FF14 the first chance they get.

So yeah you better believe I am going to point out the MAJOR differences between how the devs approach expansions and the level of respect that is shown by one dev towards their players time. People need to be reminded what Blizzard is doing and the arbitrary grinds they are putting in WoW that FF14 is not doing to nearly the extent.

[Saccharin]

I have no PROBLEM reminding people why they picked FF14 over going back to WoW because vice versa they dump on FF14 the first chance they get.

It's game insecurity on your part. If you like playing FF14 then fine leave that as it is. there's no call for WoW bashing, or any other game for that matter, to make you feel more secure in playing.

So yeah you better believe I am going to point out the MAJOR differences between how the devs approach expansions and the level of respect that is shown by one dev towards their players time. People need to be reminded what Blizzard is doing and the arbitrary grinds they are putting in WoW that FF14 is not doing to nearly the extent.

Why dont you be honest and point out the huge similarities. Where WoW goes FF14 eventually follows.

Progression from FF14 is taken directly from the late Wrath early, Cata era and has not changed. They added savage difficulty to the raids, basicity the mythic and the alliance raids are basically LFR.

Tomestones are basically Valor Points and the lower tier one that name escapes me.

They added arena and battleground PvP.

Glamour is a crippled version of transmog.

They plan on a stat squish.

I'm waiting for the level squish and Savage+ in the next expansion or two.

With regards to devs: There's no chance for feedback with FF14. Not necessarily a bad thing sometimes.

Blizzard however communicates with their playerbase (no matter how they pretend they dont). They delayed the expansion by one month because they took player feedback into account.

grinds, did you not do any relic grind in the game when it was current. Or did we conveniently forget that.

Now let's get to 'microtransations':
Wow has never removed old holiday content and then charged you for it. The solution to storage space is an extra sub, Wow has never done that. The glamor system in WoW you can save every single item in the game, can you say the same for FF14. Probably for an extra sub... I'm waiting for it.

For the record I am subbing to both games currently and both games have pretty bad things but let's pull back the curtain and look at way SE tries to squeeze extra money from players. It's sleezy F2P tactics.

[MilkieTea]

It's sleezy F2P tactics.

This is just a little pedantic, don't mind me, but it's not F2P tactics. F2P is specific in that it's a play model that makes it viable to pay to win, spawning tales of whales who have gotten where they were by paying hundreds to thousands of dollars - and the only things you really pay for extra on FF are extra storage space and useless glamour items, and a very small minority pays for level skips and story skips - things that by design aren't recommended by FF nor the playerbase as a whole, as a viable way to play as you lose valuable time learning your class and understanding the story.

It's very crummy tactics, but definitely not F2P because F2P is a specifically sleezy play model that I'm glad FF doesnt ascribe to.

[TroySoFab]

While I appreciate the efforts SE goes to keep things under wraps and build anticipation, I can't help but wish they were a little bit more forthcoming about some things prior to an expansion. I'd like to know what changes are coming to my favorite job, and a few more details about new game content (looking at you private islands).

[Holystyle]

All sounded boring .
A lot of fluff.
Said bunch showed close to nothing.

And some of you for some reason were happy when they said they will finish job and add male viera and female lion.

You got pretty low standards when half job makes you happy then rest over 2 years later and even more happier instead of demanding/rage for what should be here since first half was introduced.

And listening to community so we add half we ignored over 2 years later to just for nice PR lol.
So easily manipulated.

Disappointed big by 0 news about pvp.



+ i hope they add i log in once and done , having to type log in stuff and one time thing each time i want to play is really annoying and would partially explain why people afk a lot.2021 why there are log in queues makes people quit /one time i managed to play different game for 20 + min while being in queue not fun.

And one last thing why do i see night and day like 1 hour whole day cycle?????

[Penthea]

Is it so impossible to simply enjoy a feature or announcement by it's own without going down the "tHiS iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN tHiS oThEr gAmE"?
Some FFXIV players are apparently not confident enough in the game they enjoy to just say "I like this. This is good. Period".

I quit WoW years ago and I still sometimes think "man I like this so much more than WoW" because I played that game for over ten years, and for the latter half of it I was growing tired of Blizzard not fulfilling promises and seeming to dig their heels in with design choices that were widely disliked by the player population. I speak for so many when I say I too often felt Blizzard were telling me what I should like instead of actually introducing changes that I want. I know no one is going to get everything they want in a game but it's not a nice feeling to be painfully aware that you're part of a huge majority unhappy with a very long list of things and the devs appear to be repeatedly ignoring it.

So after the above being the norm for me for so long how FFXIV is handled is still something that makes me feel pleasantly surprised sometimes. There certainly are what I consider to be big problems in FFXIV that I am frustrated about because they aren't being addressed but that list is significantly shorter than my long time grievances with WoW.

Not trying to poop on anyone who prefers WoW. If they do, good for them and I hope they continue to be happy in that game. But for a player like me FFXIV's design philosophy is much more appealing.

I think it's only natural for players who played another game of the same genre for such a long time, go to another and feel "omg they do things so differently...and it works!" especially if that game they played had colossal success on the scale of WoW and they were unhappy while playing it despite its popularity.

It's going to be a very long time before that reaction of "I'm so glad this isn't like that other game" completely goes away for me because for so long I played WoW due to feeling like I had no other good options for my personal needs as a player. I still feel so incredibly fortunate and happy that FFXIV exists and that I don't feel like I have to endure a long list of things I dislike just so I can access that small sliver of content I enjoy.

[Ronduwil]

Is it so impossible to simply enjoy a feature or announcement by it's own without going down the "tHiS iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN tHiS oThEr gAmE"?

It's certainly not impossible, but some people can't help but express their joy and wonder at being treated like decent human beings after being in an abusive relationship for 10 years. The people who have been in normal, healthy relationships just take them for granted. We WoW refugees simply aren't used to having a dev team who isn't trying to come up with new ways to eff with the players with every patch.

[hobostew]

I've always felt the idea of "WoW refugees" kind of goofy cause I'm pretty sure there has always been massive crossover between our communities. I remember a lot of people had switched over back in ARR launch because of MoP "daily gating" and "kung-fu pandas". Are they "refugees" too even if they were here from the start?