RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Marxam]

Specifics should be provided on a platform you pay to use. Full stop.

If you figure out who the reporter is, and then harass them, the GM's should then be pulled back to do their job again. It's not like GM's don't have the capability to deal with the situation if it's properly brought to their attention. And they're there for some reason, even if going after PF RP adverts while letting that one dude shout all kinds of obscenities in Novice Network on Aether seems to take precedence for... whatever reason. Unless they finally dealt with him, lol.

This level of ambiguity is stupid. Almost intolerably stupid.

As for the content of the ads; removing [18+] won't do anything if people think it will. It'll be the exact same event, just without the tag attached to it. It's kind of a moot point, and the only lesson here is: run your 18+ event, just don't say it's 18+ lol

This game is rated T for Teen which the ESRB rates as 13+ so unless SE wants to get into a situation where an RP event turns into an ERP (which eventually it does) and its found out that there was someone underaged who participated, legal action may ensue. I have noticed an influx of casinos, "specialty" venues and even multiple alts, as of late and limsa is starting to become questionable at peak times. Imo they need to reduce the character limit from 40 to 8 per account to curtail excessive bots/alts/RMT/PF ads, but that's a different topic all together. However I'm not sure why RP are being targeted when Yoshi promotes RP but I guess you lie in the bed you made.

Source: https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/

[Bellsong]

The real reason we'll never get clear answers: GM's are finally just so tilted over not being able to do anything about the RMT that they have to vent their frustrations somewhere and RP venues are the perfect target.

Clearly it's the only obvious answer.

[WoW]

I see Section 3.3 is going full force against these illegal RPers. What a chad!

You wanna advertise something, use fellowships. PF is for raiders!

[Jin-]

That's stupid. How do you "fix" your behaviour without knowing what you did wrong.

[Theodric]

I'm inclined to believe that the GM's are doing appropriate research in regards to these venues. In some cases, the venues are advertised as adult only - which is a major red flag in itself. In other cases its much more subtle, with links to third party sites such as Twitter or carrd detailing the more inappropriate details subtly or directly. Furthermore, if one were to search Twitter tags for night clubs and the like (which I advise against doing), a lot of the screenshots show the use of adult mods and inappropriate situations in bountiful measures.

It used to be subtle in the sense that people had the sense to at least try to keep such things behind closed doors. Now such activities seem to be used as a badge of honour by a growing portion of the community. Since nobody can say for certain whether other players are actually of legal age or not, I'm far from surprised to see the GM's take a hard stance against this sort of thing.

[Lauront]

Dalliance-a casual romantic or sexual relationship

Welp, guess we know the issue here. This venue rolled the dice just by hosting, let alone posting in the PF. No one should be surprised that action was taken at this point. Good on the GM for doing their job.

Couldn't agree more.

[Shibi]

This gm saw "dalliances" with "18+" and probably made the immediate assumption that the whole thing was about sexual activities.

I don't think it's the GM showing any initiative and scanning party finder, it's the GM directly acting on someone's complaint. He says as much. The party finder is more of a side issue.

I'd more say that - like any game - the GM investigating the report has the complete ability to pull a record of all chat - say/party/tell - over the last few days as evidence, and if need be even watch while invisible. They also know all billing details and stated ages of the people involved.

I think people considering the GM is watching the party finder for words like 18+, or "daliance", or a flist/carrd, are not seeing the real reason. These words are bait to the white-knighting players reporting. But once that white-knight has reported the venue, the GM's job is to investigate and act.


What is being done wrong is... SE don't want public sex in the game. If someone reports it, a GM will be investigating.

[LianaThorne]

The witch hunt for venues is still active I see.

We all know that GMs aren't gonna do crap about them without direct proof of the witch hunt doing this for malicious reasons. We also all know that they can be very one sided with how they investigate reports. This isn't okay in the slightest and they should at least be able to reference where something violates the ToS.

The thing is, if nothing is going to change, what do ya'll want to do about it? If fighting with the GMs is basically leading to a brick wall moment and the witch hunt shows no sign of stopping, is using the 18+ tag still worth it? He did say in the first screen that it had to do with age, I'm not sure why he backpedaled on that and tried to make it out like it was just a passing suggestion. So, it seems to me that those who use the 18+ tag will be targeted. Dalliances can be a bit iffy but it's better than the one advert I've seen recently where they literally called themselves a brothel.

[rance-sama]

Holy crap, again?
I almost feel bad for the people who report the RP venues if they don't have nothing else to do.

[Theodric]

It's perfectly possible for people to lie about their age online, so simply stating an age limit isn't really enough to cover the legal bases. The simple solution is to...not advertise or partake of anything that can be seen as sleazy or inappropriate. Maybe these player led establishments can rebrand themselves as something more innocent, such as a regular cafe or restaurant.