The decline of the community

[Vahlnir]

The fact I could have a pretty 'sexually explicit' conversation in one of the most run dungeons in the game and people either didn't really care or joined in on my nonsense.

The only reason the age rating is as low as they can get away with is to draw in as large of an audience as they can, and while they can't outwardly endorse people doing stuff that goes above that age rating, I'm pretty sure SE has better things to do than police every conversation in the game.

Online interactions aren't rated by a board and the people behind the screen don't really care for it, either. Should you start talking about Thancred's gunblade in the middle of gridania plaza on /shout? No, 'course not you dip, but people in small clusters can, will and should be able to shoot the shit about whatever they please. SE isn't your mother or big brother. If you're an adult, I expect you to have gotten out of your "ew cooties" phase and actually be mature enough to tolerate the concept that people on earth generally procreate to create more humans. Sure, a game like this will never be fully 'private' but this game is also a method for you to meet others with, and a pretty good one at that. Some people are going to be comfortable about talking about the lewds, others won't. Ultimately nobody cares and you really shouldn't either; they don't harm people by virtue of existing. In fact, giving people the leeway to freely talk to each-other about whatever in a private enough sphere is something I can only consider to be a good thing.

It's one thing to want to keep the nudes out of the public eye, which I agree with. Never having a sexually explicit conversation, though? That's unreasonable to ask of both teens and adults.

Heck, you should've heard some of the playground talk I had at around ages 10-12. Wack stuff, I tell you.

People can talk about whatever they want for all I care...within reason, of course. There are certain lines that should not be crossed. What you brought up earlier is...odd to say the least, but I try not to judge too harshly. Even so, if I don't like what is being discussed I can just ignore it. At the end of the day it's them taking the risks, not me. I just won't be the one doing the reporting.

[Ammokkx]

People can talk about whatever they want for all I care...within reason, of course. There are certain lines that should not be crossed. Even so, if I don't like it I can just ignore it. At the end of the day it's them taking the risks, not me. I just won't be the one doing the reporting.

have I ever told you I think you're a cool guy, Vahlnir?

'cause you're a cool guy.

[MilkieTea]

have I ever told you I think you're a cool guy, Vahlnir?

'cause you're a cool guy.

Vahlnir is a very cool guy. I almost never disagree with his takes and when I do he's always so respectful about stuff that it's hard to get mad at him lol

[Awha]

Honestly, I think this protect the children mindset is a dated concept (when it comes to teenagers). We should inform and educate but not police (within the context of the video game) we need to respect that people have differing risk tolerances thus leading them to try new things. We cannot control it or try to shelter people from it. That said if a child does go into an adult space within the game and is exposed to topics or subjects they are not able to handle we should not run to their aid, and shame the adults in question. One does not learn from that, they are not the victim if they willfully tried to gain access something deemed meant for adults.

Personally I think reporting someone for things they say is just dumb, worry about yourself and not others. Game already provides enough tools to block most chat one does not want to see. People are just far too soft nowadays and far too eager to cry foul.

That said section 3.3 you are still my lord and savior! :P

[Vahlnir]

have I ever told you I think you're a cool guy, Vahlnir?

'cause you're a cool guy.

Vahlnir is a very cool guy. I almost never disagree with his takes and when I do he's always so respectful about stuff that it's hard to get mad at him lol

Thanks! You guys seem like decent people as well. I try my best to be reasonable, though I might not always succeed. Occasionally I do lose my cool but I try not to lose it so much that I risk a ban. lol My tolerance for nonsense is slim to none depending on the day.

[MilkieTea]

Honestly, I think this protect the children mindset is a dated concept (when it comes to teenagers). We should inform and educate but not police (within the context of the video game) we need to respect that people have differing risk tolerances thus leading them to try new things. We cannot control it or try to shelter people from it. That said if a child does go into an adult space within the game and is exposed to topics or subjects they are not able to handle we should not run to their aid, and shame the adults in question. One does not learn from that, they are not the victim if they willfully tried to gain access something deemed meant for adults.

Personally I think reporting someone for things they say is just dumb, worry about yourself and not others. Game already provides enough tools to block most chat one does not want to see. People are just far too soft nowadays and far too eager to cry foul.

That said section 3.3 you are still my lord and savior! :P

See, this take, is a lot better than your other take.

[Kaurhz]

Honestly, I think this protect the children mindset is a dated concept (when it comes to teenagers). We should inform and educate but not police (within the context of the video game) we need to respect that people have differing risk tolerances thus leading them to try new things. We cannot control it or try to shelter people from it. That said if a child does go into an adult space within the game and is exposed to topics or subjects they are not able to handle we should not run to their aid, and shame the adults in question. One does not learn from that, they are not the victim if they willfully tried to gain access something deemed meant for adults.

Personally I think reporting someone for things they say is just dumb, worry about yourself and not others. Game already provides enough tools to block most chat one does not want to see. People are just far too soft nowadays and far too eager to cry foul.

That said section 3.3 you are still my lord and savior! :P

Well the "Think of the children" mindset in itself encompasses bringing awareness, informing, and educating people on the subject matter, and more often than not those who are more mature since it has a lot of sanction accompanying in it if you're even accused of it, so yeah it is a hardly dated concept as much as you'd like to believe. Sure, actively policing it shouldn't be a thing, that much I'll at least agree on. A child will only ever wander in a mature or ERP-based setting if they're publicly advertised which shouldn't even happen in the first place.

No, it's actually a disservice to the person committing the infraction, and the community at large. If you feel something is inappropriate and doesn't abide by the terms then you report it. It allows for the person being reported to reflect on their behaviour and then amend it going forward. If nobody makes them aware of it so it can be addressed then they're only going to commit the same offense with other people, which is then a disservice to them as well.

[Awha]

See, this take, is a lot better than your other take.

It is the same take just worded differently, I still stand by my other post just came off as more abrasive then it needed to be. I still think children that willfully try to get adults punished for actions out of spite should face harsher punishments then what they get now.

Well the "Think of the children" mindset in itself encompasses bringing awareness, informing, and educating people on the subject matter, and more often than not those who are more mature since it has a lot of sanction accompanying in it if you're even accused of it, so yeah it is a hardly dated concept as much as you'd like to believe. Sure, actively policing it shouldn't be a thing, that much I'll at least agree on. A child will only ever wander in a mature or ERP-based setting if they're publicly advertised which shouldn't even happen in the first place.

No, it's actually a disservice to the person committing the infraction, and the community at large. If you feel something is inappropriate and doesn't abide by the terms then you report it. It allows for the person being reported to reflect on their behaviour and then amend it going forward. If nobody makes them aware of it so it can be addressed then they're only going to commit the same offense with other people, which is then a disservice to them as well.

See that would work if you were told what you did wrong in this game. You are not so reporting people in this game is largely rooted in spite. It is dated as much as people like to think that children are dumb, ignorant to the world around them they are far more advance then many give them credit for. TBH I would say more adults need protecting from children. Kids in my school use to play games to see how many teachers they could get fried or force to quit before the year was out. WE knew what we could get away with, and how to spin the situation to turn us into the victims. Children are nasty little buggers.

I just think as we get older people tend to forget how resourceful or lack of remorse we had as a child which allows us to paint them as an innocent child. I am just recently finishing uni, so it is still fresh in my mind I was also one of those little shits that did not give a shit, and played the I did not know card fairly often to great success.

As I said we can educate and inform, but after that it is on little timmy.

[Kaurhz]

It is the same take just worded differently, I still stand by my other post just came off as more abrasive then it needed to be. I still think children that willfully try to get adults punished for actions out of spite should face harsher punishments then what they get now.



See that would work if you were told what you did wrong in this game. You are not so reporting people in this game is largely rooted in spite.

Except you can request this data by doing a data subject access request, this much is specified within their Privacy Policy if you look hard enough. They will supply you with the direct log which resulted in your warning/suspension. In fact, the only thing I disagree with in terms of handling here is that upon being reported the GMs should supply you with the email to do such and explain the process.

Reporting people out of spite isn't something I agree with, no, obviously. But if I feel someone has deliberately gone out of their way to not follow the terms of service, be it slurs, insults, and other things of a similar nature which may encompass or suffice for harassment then I'm going to report you, simple as. It prevents you from doing that exact same behavior with someone else.

If I had to resort to the blocklist like you're suggesting for potential infractions then my blacklist would cease to have space on it. Call it being soft, foul, or whatever. People should be held accountable for their actions. I can also at the very least say people crying profanity filter when they got a suspension or a warning more than likely are only telling part of the story in order to justify their own actions.

[MilkieTea]

It is the same take just worded differently, I still stand by my other post just came off as more abrasive then it needed to be. I still think children that willfully try to get adults punished for actions out of spite should face harsher punishments then what they get now.

Your other take was that children should face the same punishments as adults. This take isn't just worded differently, it's an entirely different take: that we should inform and educate.