The decline of the community

[Kaurhz]

It is the same take just worded differently, I still stand by my other post just came off as more abrasive then it needed to be. I still think children that willfully try to get adults punished for actions out of spite should face harsher punishments then what they get now.



See that would work if you were told what you did wrong in this game. You are not so reporting people in this game is largely rooted in spite.

Except you can request this data by doing a data subject access request, this much is specified within their Privacy Policy if you look hard enough. They will supply you with the direct log which resulted in your warning/suspension. In fact, the only thing I disagree with in terms of handling here is that upon being reported the GMs should supply you with the email to do such and explain the process.

Reporting people out of spite isn't something I agree with, no, obviously. But if I feel someone has deliberately gone out of their way to not follow the terms of service, be it slurs, insults, and other things of a similar nature which may encompass or suffice for harassment then I'm going to report you, simple as. It prevents you from doing that exact same behavior with someone else.

If I had to resort to the blocklist like you're suggesting for potential infractions then my blacklist would cease to have space on it. Call it being soft, foul, or whatever. People should be held accountable for their actions. I can also at the very least say people crying profanity filter when they got a suspension or a warning more than likely are only telling part of the story in order to justify their own actions.

[Awha]

Except you can request this data by doing a data subject access request, this much is specified within their Privacy Policy if you look hard enough. They will supply you with the direct log which resulted in your warning/suspension. In fact, the only thing I disagree with in terms of handling here is that upon being reported the GMs should supply you with the email to do such and explain the process.

Reporting people out of spite isn't something I agree with, no, obviously. But if I feel someone has deliberately gone out of their way to not follow the terms of service, be it slurs, insults, and other things of a similar nature which may encompass or suffice for harassment then I'm going to report you, simple as. It prevents you from doing that exact same behavior with someone else.

If I had to resort to the blocklist like you're suggesting for potential infractions then my blacklist would cease to have space on it. Call it being soft, foul, or whatever. People should be held accountable for their actions. I can also at the very least say people crying profanity filter when they got a suspension or a warning more than likely are only telling part of the story in order to justify their own actions.

I will take your word that you can request such information, though why a GM just does not tell you on the spot is beyond me. Though some do. That being said most do not read the ToS, let alone Privacy Policy. Though since I have not read it, I have a strong suspicion that it does not carry over 100% to in-game interactions and data.

In the end you are free to report whoever you want for whatever you want that is fine. I have been reported and I own up my strikes. That being said I just have a personal issue with how vague the ToS is, and how the game offers tools to avoid certain things yet one can still be reported despite those tools in place. Though you probably are largely right that more to the story, when I was reported for my language the person in question did ask me to stop in party chat but I just ignored them and moved, still dropped the f bomb every so often it was not aimed towards anyone. Though I most likely got a strike due to the fact they asked me to stop and I did not.

Still personally that was a petty reason to report someone cause if they just add their filter on all they would see is ???? no harm no foul. Though they are free to report cause I did break the ToS no matter how silly said ToS can be. Though I do think being held accountable is a two way street, people should also be accountable for their own safety and sanity. If a game provides you tools to avoid certain things you may not want to see then they should be using said feature end of story, and if they were using said feature it should not matter if people are cursing. Now if people try to bypass the filter that is a different story.

Personally I do think it is soft, across every MMO I have played I have had to blacklist one person and that was a guild mats GF that was annoying in raids and I just wanted to pretend they did not exist.

[MilkieTea]

It is the same take just worded differently, I still stand by my other post just came off as more abrasive then it needed to be. I still think children that willfully try to get adults punished for actions out of spite should face harsher punishments then what they get now.

Your other take was that children should face the same punishments as adults. This take isn't just worded differently, it's an entirely different take: that we should inform and educate.

[Awha]

Your other take was that children should face the same punishments as adults. This take isn't just worded differently, it's an entirely different take: that we should inform and educate.

By inform and educate I mean before they do the action before doing things meant for adults then try to cry foul on the adults despite knowing it was not meant for children and they still do said action at that point then little timmy should face the same punishment as an adult. Cause screw this better to ask for forgiveness instead of permission mindset.

I think having a focus on educating after the fact is kinda backwards, the education should front loaded, and if the action is committed after the point it is okay to inform and educate again, but they should face the same punishment as an adult for the action they committed.

[Kaurhz]

Honestly, I think this protect the children mindset is a dated concept (when it comes to teenagers). We should inform and educate but not police (within the context of the video game) we need to respect that people have differing risk tolerances thus leading them to try new things. We cannot control it or try to shelter people from it. That said if a child does go into an adult space within the game and is exposed to topics or subjects they are not able to handle we should not run to their aid, and shame the adults in question. One does not learn from that, they are not the victim if they willfully tried to gain access something deemed meant for adults.

Personally I think reporting someone for things they say is just dumb, worry about yourself and not others. Game already provides enough tools to block most chat one does not want to see. People are just far too soft nowadays and far too eager to cry foul.

That said section 3.3 you are still my lord and savior! :P

Well the "Think of the children" mindset in itself encompasses bringing awareness, informing, and educating people on the subject matter, and more often than not those who are more mature since it has a lot of sanction accompanying in it if you're even accused of it, so yeah it is a hardly dated concept as much as you'd like to believe. Sure, actively policing it shouldn't be a thing, that much I'll at least agree on. A child will only ever wander in a mature or ERP-based setting if they're publicly advertised which shouldn't even happen in the first place.

No, it's actually a disservice to the person committing the infraction, and the community at large. If you feel something is inappropriate and doesn't abide by the terms then you report it. It allows for the person being reported to reflect on their behaviour and then amend it going forward. If nobody makes them aware of it so it can be addressed then they're only going to commit the same offense with other people, which is then a disservice to them as well.

[Vickii]

Ah yes, ERP. Truly the worst of all evils that plagues FFXIV.

You: "Do something about ERP! It's sinister and dangerous!"
Squeenix:

Well it’s honestly pretty bad. Not sure if you’ve seen what gets posted in the community finder but I’ve seen at least two things that are illegal.

This is a game, not a sexual role playing website. I don’t really see why you’re all in favour of it.

[Vahlnir]

Well it’s honestly pretty bad. Not sure if you’ve seen what gets posted in the community finder but I’ve seen at least two things that are illegal.

This is a game, not a sexual role playing website. I don’t really see why you’re all in favour of it.

I'm not in favor of it per say. My main issue with it all is the PF listings. Those could probably be removed or at the very least moved to a Discord server which coordinates these things and moderates them properly. I think that would be the decent thing to do. What people do in the privacy of their own homes/chats is their business, provided nothing truly law breaking is going on. I just don't need to know about it every time I open the Party Finder. To me, that is nothing more than being obnoxious.

[Lauront]

I'm not in favor of it per say. My main issue with it all is the PF listings. Those could probably be removed or at the very least moved to a Discord server which coordinates these things and moderates them properly. I think that would be the decent thing to do. What people do in the privacy of their own homes/chats is their business, provided nothing truly law breaking is going on. I just don't need to know about it every time I open the Party Finder. To me, that is nothing more than being obnoxious.

Indeed - if it's out of sight, it's fine and there is no issue with it. Even a cursory visit to the Quicksand on a certain server will prove that's far from the case, though!

[Enla]

Indeed - if it's out of sight, it's fine and there is no issue with it. Even a cursory visit to the Quicksand on a certain server will prove that's far from the case, though!

Ironically it only became an issue on said server when world visit was enabled. People came to see the degeneracy, got upset it didn't really exist outside of private functions and one-off individuals, and then decided to make the meme a reality.

[Cyreil]

Ironically it only became an issue on said server when world visit was enabled. People came to see the degeneracy, got upset it didn't really exist outside of private functions and one-off individuals, and then decided to make the meme a reality.

People are only going to believe this when it fits their narrative.