Major changes needed for housing

[Awha]

Not sure what you mean by "more effort to put into your thought", but I feel like you're missing the point and your argument is "you have a better chance because the system is bad, so it should stay how it is."

"Whole server" is also hyperbole. Again, if they fixed the rampant botting, the argument of camping placards would fit your claim of being viable.

While we have no data a lottery i think it would be safe to assume increase general competition from what it is now even with bots.

So it is a pick your poison kinda of solution. I know some will be for it but others who have general bad luck probably will not be. Remember if their is a chance to roll zero someone will roll said zero over and over.

[LianaThorne]

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Again, this is punishing FCs that have done nothing wrong. I've had friends in both Aether and Primal that were in solo or duo FCs with their significant other that are active and own housing that they camped for. Just because a minority of people (and yes it is a minority, feel free to browse ward listings in your spare time) abuse it to take over a ward or have more than one FC does not mean the majority that does nothing wrong should be punished alongside them.

There are actually only 2 options Square has if instanced private housing isn't going to be a thing:

1. Improve apartments so that more people are interested in purchasing them. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of open apartments in every server which is plenty of room for everyone. The issue is people want more than just one room but at the same time are turning down an easy opportunity to own property until you can acquire a house.

2. Remove the excess housing from FCs that are PROVEN to own multiple FC estates and change it so that purchasing FCs run in the same fashion as purchasing personal property: one house per account for a total of a max 2 properties to be owned by any one person (private & FC).

If neither of those two options happen and this system is what is going to be staying in place permanently, everyone has 3 options:

1. Camp for a plot like everyone else. When my boyfriend and I got our first house he beat out 5 bots and 10 actual players for it. Fight for it like everyone else and stop using bots as an excuse to not.

2. Buy an FC with a house attached to it/an apartment and accept it.

3. Don't participate in housing.

[linayar]

They're not going to make all housing private though or they would have already. If it was some simple/no brain thing that it's being made out to be in this thread, they would have done it already. They're also not gonna rip houses away from people for the sake of others and risk pissing off current homeowners. Honestly, the reality of what is probably gonna happen is that nothing is gonna change. We're most likely getting the exact same set up as when Shiro launched when Ishgard rolls around with the farms being the compromise for not having private instanced housing.

Agreed. I'm just saying, if a change is done, my suggestion would be more in line with what they're doing. The reason they won't is because they care too much about existing owners, and I don't fault them for that. It is what it is. Like I said before, I've already had my fun with owning a house before, and I'm ok either way now with whatever they decide to do.

They are not going to make housing only personal. Originally the housing was supposed to be only FC and personal housing was supposed to be something else. Then SE changed that and threw personal into the wards. If anything were to change here, they'd kick out personal housing and make wards FC only. That would fit their original design, and give more people access to houses.

I've also mentioned that alternative. I just think, given the current problem, that personal housing would be less prone to abuse than FC housing.

[Jojoya]

Not sure what you mean by "more effort to put into your thought", but I feel like you're missing the point and your argument is "you have a better chance because the system is bad, so it should stay how it is."

"Whole server" is also hyperbole. Again, if they fixed the rampant botting, the argument of camping placards would fit your claim of being viable.

Change merely for the sake of change and not because it fixes the core problem is a waste of time and resources.

Right now you run into maybe a couple of dozen people who want a house badly enough they're willing to take time away from their game play to try to get it. Switch to a lottery system that requires only a minute of time investment and those couple of dozen players turn into several hundred on the higher population servers buying a ticket for drawing that real odds state no one is likely to win (go check the Cactpot attendant to see how often someone actually wins the top prize in that lottery).

Your 5% chance of being the first one to click at the right moment has just become an infinitesimally small chance you might have bought a winning ticket.

Has the change improved your chances of getting a house? Nope. Then what was the point of making it?

If your beef is about time wasted camping the placard, there's a much easier solution. Don't camp. Check it then go do other things. Check it again later. It's not always a botter who gets the house, or even the player who was camping the placard for hours. Sometimes it's the player that showed up at the right time.

If your beef is you can't get a house, then ask SE to do something that fixes the problem - increase the supply of houses on each world to meet the demand on that world. A lottery isn't going to fix that.

I've also mentioned that alternative. I just think, given the current problem, that personal housing would be less prone to abuse than FC housing.

A FC requires a house to have a workshop and/or an Aetherial Wheel Stand to prime level 3 action wheels. Take houses away from FCs and they no longer have those things.

[linayar]

A FC requires a house to have a workshop and/or an Aetherial Wheel Stand to prime level 3 action wheels. Take houses away from FCs and they no longer have those things.

Yes, hence why I said they could have the leader do it at their personal housing.

Alternatively, if people want privacy, allow a special room from the FC leader's house that FC members can get into from the outside door.

Or they could move it to the GC barrack.

[Tommara]

You are saying this only because you are base on the assumption that Japanese have same standard server and networking technology like Western gam companies; but they don't
Their technology is way behind because they are too over emphasized on console than PC over there, in another world, PC is not a master race there and console is.
Although SE is one of the better Japanese company but their technology is still behind by a decade, where both Chinese and Korean are far more advanced.
The best example is Genshin Impact, the wet dream that all Japanese gaming companies want but can't not achieve.
They even have an internal review between companies to see why and how Chinese is able to achieve this.

There is also a podcast where an Asian gaming publisher explaining why they are able to host WoW but unable to publish FF14 due to SE's ridiculous demanding of physical space due to their outdated and over complicated server structure.
Also, to top that, SE's primary concern is stability over efficiency so they are sticking to one Japanese server supplier and that supplier only, there will be no break through but you will not see loging issue every major patch like you seem in WoW.
Asking SE to put more servers for housing ward is unreal and practically unachievable.
By putting up a house wards they requires several servers just to handle the chat functions (ls, FC, CWLS) alones, so you can stop dreaming ask asking something more practical

Interesting. Reminds me of IBM.

Having known much better implemented MMO housing since Everquest 2 was released in 2004, something is clearly wrong with FF14 housing.

I actually encountered housing first in Asheron's Call (1999), non-instanced, pretty much implemented as in FF14, except that houses were scattered across the world, rather than concentrated in housing districts. If you got lucky while exploring the world and were the first person to find a house, and could afford to buy it, you got the house.

Then Anarchy Online (2001) was the first game I played that introduced instanced housing, but didn't appeal to me because the only purpose was decorating, much like FF14, but unlike FF14, available to all.

I didn't get interested in MMO housing until Star Wars Galaxies (2003), which were actually useful, so became one its first master architects (thanks to help from friends I'd made in Everquest). Then as I said, Everquest 2 is the gold standard for what MMO housing should be.

i.e., I was a pretty jaded MMO player around the turn of the century to have any sympathy at all FF14's issues, which in my book, serve no useful purpose except Thavnarian onions, which are trivial for me to buy.

So, as I've said before, I think it's absurd that they've made it so hard for people who want housing to have one. I pretty much don't care about their institutional issues as justification for FF14's backwardness in this regard.

[Vickii]

They just need to close any loopholes that enable you to sell a plot to another player.

When ishgard is released there should be no reason for anyone to buy a house besides them wanting that house for their use.

Need to get rid of any other incentives to buy as it’s already highly in demand without this.

[LianaThorne]

They just need to close any loopholes that enable you to sell a plot to another player.

When ishgard is released there should be no reason for anyone to buy a house besides them wanting that house for their use.

Need to get rid of any other incentives to buy as it’s already highly in demand without this.

Personally I don't have an issue with people selling plots to each other, it's how some are able to actually obtain their dream plots if they don't have a high end PC with prime load times to beat out other people relocating. It's still me wanting to use the house for housing, so saying that plots shouldn't be taken for any reason other than housing doesn't make sense because they plots are they're ending up with people who are using them for housing.

At the end of the day, they can't really remove selling to other people unless they remove relocations as a whole. I'm also not a fan of that because I like having the option to move if a plot I like shows up.

There's a phrase people like to use: "Housing is savage." because it is. It's every man, woman, *insert identifier here*, for themselves. I can't even count the times anymore that I've had someone relo into a plot I was camping, but that's just part of housing now. Don't give people courtesy because no one else will give you it when it comes to housing. Just sit and camp like everyone else and pray that today is your lucky day. If you can't camp because of real life reasons or just pure laziness, have a friend camp for you on your account or open an FC and have multiple people trying to get the house for you when the FC is eligible. There are always options. Punishing the whole for the mistakes of a few isn't going to fly. Why should everyone lose the right to move to a new plot just because one group in a server wants to exploit it? Punish the offenders, not the innocent.

[Tommara]

Personally I don't have an issue with people selling plots to each other, it's how some are able to actually obtain their dream plots if they don't have a high end PC with prime load times to beat out other people relocating. It's still me wanting to use the house for housing, so saying that plots shouldn't be taken for any reason other than housing doesn't make sense because they plots are they're ending up with people who are using them for housing.

At the end of the day, they can't really remove selling to other people unless they remove relocations as a whole. I'm also not a fan of that because I like having the option to move if a plot I like shows up.

There's a phrase people like to use: "Housing is savage." because it is. It's every man, woman, *insert identifier here*, for themselves. I can't even count the times anymore that I've had someone relo into a plot I was camping, but that's just part of housing now. Don't give people courtesy because no one else will give you it when it comes to housing. Just sit and camp like everyone else and pray that today is your lucky day. If you can't camp because of real life reasons or just pure laziness, have a friend camp for you on your account or open an FC and have multiple people trying to get the house for you when the FC is eligible. There are always options. Punishing the whole for the mistakes of a few isn't going to fly. Why should everyone lose the right to move to a new plot just because one group in a server wants to exploit it? Punish the offenders, not the innocent.

That pretty much encapsulates why I've been posting in this thread, despite having zero interest in FF14 housing.

"Housing is savage".

Which is just stupid on the devs part. Regardless if it's because of technical limitations or is deliberate.

[Vickii]

Personally I don't have an issue with people selling plots to each other, it's how some are able to actually obtain their dream plots if they don't have a high end PC with prime load times to beat out other people relocating. It's still me wanting to use the house for housing, so saying that plots shouldn't be taken for any reason other than housing doesn't make sense because they plots are they're ending up with people who are using them for housing.

At the end of the day, they can't really remove selling to other people unless they remove relocations as a whole. I'm also not a fan of that because I like having the option to move if a plot I like shows up.

There's a phrase people like to use: "Housing is savage." because it is. It's every man, woman, *insert identifier here*, for themselves. I can't even count the times anymore that I've had someone relo into a plot I was camping, but that's just part of housing now. Don't give people courtesy because no one else will give you it when it comes to housing. Just sit and camp like everyone else and pray that today is your lucky day. If you can't camp because of real life reasons or just pure laziness, have a friend camp for you on your account or open an FC and have multiple people trying to get the house for you when the FC is eligible. There are always options. Punishing the whole for the mistakes of a few isn't going to fly. Why should everyone lose the right to move to a new plot just because one group in a server wants to exploit it? Punish the offenders, not the innocent.

I just feel that if they make it so you only buy a plot because you want it, it would solve a lot of problems. Yes someone in your example got their dream plot because another player sold it to them. But they’d be able to get their dream plot if that first player didn’t buy it to begin with.

There are many ways to make Gil in the game. Housing is a feature and shouldn’t be made to appeal to botters and opportunists. Remove those and there’s far less demand when the new plots are opened.