Major changes needed for housing

[Vahlnir]

Camping is not a game mechanic put in place by SE. It is a player driven mechanic. I do not think SE intended for people to camp out hours for plots. Sure it is a byproduct of their design choices but was never the intention.

The dev team has very bad foresight at times, but they should (key word being should) have seen this coming a mile away. It is this sort of thing that makes me wonder if they really understand an MMORPG player base at all. Or human nature. Sure, they will never be able to account for everything but this...was a pretty obvious oversight if this wasn't their intention.

[Awha]

The dev team has very bad foresight at times, but they should (key word being should) have seen this coming a mile away. It is this sort of thing that makes me wonder if they really understand an MMORPG player base at all. Or human nature. Sure, they will never be able to account for everything but this...was a pretty obvious oversight if this wasn't their intention.

I agree they lack foresight when it comes to how western MMO players think.

[LianaThorne]

Camping is not a game mechanic put in place by SE. It is a player driven mechanic. I do not think SE intended for people to camp out hours for plots. Sure it is a byproduct of their design choices but was never the intention.

This. ^ No one is forcing anyone to camp for 24 hours straight, people do it because they think they have to. It's not hard to do research on the average times plots pop for purchase (there are multiple discords that can help you with that) and focus your attempts at grabbing the plot at prime hours. That way you don't have to waste your entire day and feel burnt out after, you can just use a couple hours of your time instead. I've seen people show up for an hour and walk away with it.

After I camped the first time for 14ish hours, I decided that was a waste of my time and looked into whether or not there were any ways to make my life easier. Turns out there are and that's how I got my houses without putting myself through unnecessary pain.

[Drkdays]

It definitely is a game mechanic put in place by SE. That's the whole point, isn't it? To make it so anyone can get a plot if they have the money and DETERMINATION(read willingness to camp)to get it. How can you say it's not intentional when it's the only way? No one in their right mind could expect a player to get to a plot, see there is someone already there, and say to themselves , "Well, he was here first, guess I'll go away."

That would require the naivety of a child. It's clearly functioning as intended. And it would work fine if they updated the requirements, but it's like a half-finished project that was abandoned with the way it is now.

It could be great, if only they just tweaked it a bit!

Well, at least they added more houses.

[Jojoya]

Also apartments don’t include gardening which is really the main point of owning a house for most.

Then why do so many houses lack a garden plot in the yard, or if there is one placed there is nothing being grown in it, but they do have plenty of other decoration?

Fewer house owners and potential house owners care about gardening than you think. Most are just looking for a piece of the game world they can consider theirs and can decorate as they want.

[LianaThorne]

Just gonna say this:

Do I think the system is good? No. And I also never said it was.

Am I accepting reality for what it is? Yes. As should everyone else.

If you think camping is stupid, you have that right to think that. If you think the system is flawed, which it is, then you have that right to think that too. I'm just not going to sit by quietly while people talk about taking things from people who aren't involved in botting or selling their plot for monetary gain. If it bothers some people that I'm not against relocation sellers, you're more than allowed to be bothered by it because not everyone involved in that is handling bots or shuffling houses through the system. It's still not going to change how I feel though, just like I don't expect anything I've said to actually affect anyone or force anyone to make a change. Will I sit and be quiet about it if I have a strong opinion against it though? No, not at all.

The reality is, and I'm sorry if this is a hard pill to swallow for some, not everyone is out trying to make a profit off housing. I personally have mine because I'm very heavily into gardening and my boyfriend and I wanted a place to share. I also have an FC so I have housing for that on top to provide my members with crafting stations, food buffs, etc. Plus, it's fun to have a house. Simple reason: it's fun.

It's fine if you don't see the value in that or think that what we had to do was hard work, like I said, your opinion. It doesn't change the reality that it wasn't easy for us to get our house at first, but we didn't stop trying. We camped for....14-15 hours that first day (ironically the same day we first met) but didn't give up and we got our first house within the next 2 days and beat out bots. I know it takes people way longer, but that's what I'm talking about by hard work. It is hard work mentally to force yourself through the same activity day after day in the hopes of getting a reward. Those are the people I'm speaking up for.

You're allowed to be frustrated by camping but that doesn't make it not the system we currently have. If Square wants to change it, that's on them. But until then, this is the system we have and I'm going to speak keeping that in mind and I'm also going to speak on the reality of what we'll all have to deal with if they choose to not do anything about housing. I apologize if anything I said came off too blunt, I am a very direct speaker and am aware that I can come off strong, but I don't take back anything I've said either.

You're allowed to have an opinion, same as I am allowed to have one.

P.S. For the person who asked where I'm coming from with things being taken from people, it's been said in the comments that everyone should be limited to 1 house regardless of whether or not they're actively exploiting the system (i.e. normal people who have a personal house and an FC would also have that taken away from them). It was also suggested that FC leaders only should be forced to give up their housing and be satisfied with having only an FC while everyone else in said FC has access to personal housing. Therefore, if that was to be implemented I would not only lose my personal house but lose my right to having privacy simply because I am an FC leader. It's not fair for people who haven't done anything wrong to be forced to give up what they worked hard to get simply so other people can have access to an easy house and it's not fair for FC leaders to be punished like that simply because we want to help people. Strip them from the people who own half of a ward in Goblet and are actively exploiting the system, not your average Bob and Sally who sat and camped and beat out people for their house and are minding their own business now. I'm all for making changes but not ones that punish people who don't deserve it.

[Tommara]

Just gonna say this:


P.S. For the person who asked where I'm coming from with things being taken from people, it's been said in the comments that everyone should be limited to 1 house regardless of whether or not they're actively exploiting the system (i.e. normal people who have a personal house and an FC would also have that taken away from them). It was also suggested that FC leaders only should be forced to give up their housing and be satisfied with having only an FC while everyone else in said FC has access to personal housing. Therefore, if that was to be implemented I would not only lose my personal house but lose my right to having privacy simply because I am an FC leader. It's not fair for people who haven't done anything wrong to be forced to give up what they worked hard to get simply so other people can have access to an easy house and it's not fair for FC leaders to be punished like that simply because we want to help people. Strip them from the people who own half of a ward in Goblet and are actively exploiting the system, not your average Bob and Sally who sat and camped and beat out people for their house and are minding their own business now. I'm all for making changes but not ones that punish people who don't deserve it.

Just to be clear, I don't advocate that at all. I'm not trying to remove anything that people have now.

What I'm advocating is additional instanced housing that includes garden plots. Something along the line of condominiums in the US, or row housing with a backyard.

[Nabril]

1. They need to stop removing the demolition timer.
2. They need to strip houses away from people who own multiple houses- If they got it by exploiting loopholes, that's their own problem. I have no sympathy.
3. They need to remove the relocation feature which would stop house flipping.

[LianaThorne]

1. They need to stop removing the demolition timer.
2. They need to strip houses away from people who own multiple houses- If they got it by exploiting loopholes, that's their own problem. I have no sympathy.
3. They need to remove the relocation feature which would stop house flipping.

I'm all for the first 2 options but the 3rd is one I'm against for reasons I've said already but I'll repeat:

1. Not everyone is out to flip the market.
2. Removing the relocation feature has the potential to make people who own houses feel trapped to the server they're in since they can't sell it and get at least a portion of the money they invested into their house back.
3. Relocation still allows for people to acquire their dream plots which normally are never popped wild.

I get the negatives (like people relocating into plots while people are camping) but there are still good reasons for it to exist and it does help homeowners.

[LianaThorne]

It definitely is a game mechanic put in place by SE. That's the whole point, isn't it? To make it so anyone can get a plot if they have the money and DETERMINATION(read willingness to camp)to get it. How can you say it's not intentional when it's the only way? No one in their right mind could expect a player to get to a plot, see there is someone already there, and say to themselves , "Well, he was here first, guess I'll go away."

That would require the naivety of a child. It's clearly functioning as intended. And it would work fine if they updated the requirements, but it's like a half-finished project that was abandoned with the way it is now.

It could be great, if only they just tweaked it a bit!

Well, at least they added more houses.

It's not a mechanic, you can easily come check out the plot, hit it twice and then leave and try again later. Where does it say you have to stand there all day and camp? It doesn't, some just think they have to because of the hope that it will pop right away and that's how you waste your time and day.

I've seen plenty of people show up and leave only to come back hours later. That's literally how I lost my first plot.