Major changes needed for housing

[LaylaTsarra]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/

This is the intent and I think it's pretty clearly stated. The issue is it's implementation which isn't working for FC;s and it appears they are unable to fix it.

"Each service account may only possess one free company estate hall and one private estate per World.

Once this limit has been reached, it is not possible to purchase further plots of land in the same World on that service account, including separate characters on the same World."

[linayar]

This is the intent and I think it's pretty clearly stated. The issue is it's implementation which isn't working and it appears they are unable to fix it.

"Each service account may only possess one free company estate hall and one private estate per World.

Once this limit has been reached, it is not possible to purchase further plots of land in the same World on that service account, including separate characters on the same World."

The intent is in the first sentence, but the application is in the second sentence, which only mentions purchase. If you are handed ownership of an FC that already has a plot of land, nothing is said about that scenario. You're not purchasing a plot as it already comes with the FC, so that limitation in the second sentence does not apply to you.

This is why FC housing is complicated unless there is a rule that you cannot own more than one FCs in the same world and automatic transfers would bypass your character.

[LaylaTsarra]

If you are handed ownership of an FC that already has a plot of land, nothing is said about that scenario. You're not purchasing a plot as it already comes with the FC, so that limitation in the second sentence does not apply to you.

Well technically there is no owner of a FC it's owned by the members. It's not like a private estate. I do think however it's reasonable to assume that the intent was/is for only one character per account to be a leader of a FC. Be that as it may it certainly behooves SE to clarify the intent and to fix it given what is happening in reality for some users is certainly not what they had in mind in my view.

[linayar]

Well technically there is no owner of a FC it's owned by the members. It's not like a private estate. I do think however it's reasonable to assume that the intent was/is for only one character per account to be a leader of a FC. Be that as it may it certainly behooves SE to clarify the intent and to fix it given what is happening in reality for some users is certainly not their intent in my view.

There is an owner/leader of an FC because only that owner/leader can disband the FC.

I also think the intent is clear. It's just the application is lacking. The limitation should not only be about not being able to purchase more plot, but also not being able to possess more plots even if you did not purchase it.

Or, they can just fix it by preventing a service account from having more than one FC leader in the same world.

[Reinha]

Well technically there is no owner of a FC it's owned by the members. It's not like a private estate.

Maybe it should be like a private estate. This would solve the issue of people having 1 FC house and 1 private house on the same character, and also the issue where people transfer FC leadership to bypass housing restrictions.

Just allow players to link one private house to an fc and let members use it according to their rank and refresh its demolish timer. Should the player leave or get kicked, someone else can link their house to the fc. Also limit ownership to one house per account.

[LianaThorne]

Maybe it should be like a private estate. This would solve the issue of people having 1 FC house and 1 private house on the same character, and also the issue where people transfer FC leadership to bypass housing restrictions.

Just allow players to link one private house to an fc and let members use it according to their rank and refresh its demolish timer. Should the player leave or get kicked, someone else can link their house to the fc. Also limit ownership to one house per account.

Again, going to say (since this exact suggestion came up in another housing thread):
- This isn't fair for FC leaders. So our members can have private houses but because we choose to open an FC, we lose the right to it. Why do we have to give up privacy just because we want to help people? There's nothing wrong with an FC having their own estate and also being able to own our own house. The issue is that FCs are set up so that you can just inherit new ones.

You're also heavily assuming that members will have housing to link. Myself, my bf (current leader) and another couple are the only ones in our FC who own housing and I doubt that they want to give up their right to privacy for the sake of an FC either if he and I left the game.

So, please. No. Not this. How about we either just fix apartments so they're actually appealing or the devs rip apart how FCs are coded into the game and make it so they can be tracked the same as personal houses?

[LaylaTsarra]

This isn't fair for FC leaders. So our members can have private houses but because we choose to open an FC, we lose the right to it. Why do we have to give up privacy just because we want to help people? There's nothing wrong with an FC having their own estate and also being able to own our own house.

Yes you're entitled to a private house just like everyone else. I wouldn't worry about it the dev team isn't about to change that. They certainly recognize the difference. I have a small FC I share with friends and my alts on Spriggan with a private right next to it. I'm entitled to my privacy just like anyone else.

[Reinha]

Again, going to say (since this exact suggestion came up in another housing thread):
- This isn't fair for FC leaders. So our members can have private houses but because we choose to open an FC, we lose the right to it.

I didn't say it has to be the FC leader's house. If not enough players in the FC have a house, you could pool your Gil and get a homeless FC member a house they can share with everyone. Or is the problem that you, as the FC leader, don't trust any of your members to have control over the FC house?

Either people can inherit a house with FC leadership, or FC housing isn't tied to FC leadership. There are no other options.