Major changes needed for housing

[Krotoan]

Agreed. The whole housing debacle is one of SE's own making. They just need to have unlimited housing available. They said last year they bought more servers just for housing but the pandemic put travel restrictions in place so they've had to put that on hold. I really hope that when they can get those in place that crazy amounts of housing becomes available. So much housing available that anyone who wants one can have one (I know I'm stretching here but I hope it comes true just the same).

6.0 will introduce Ishgardian housing. Likely this is an entire full set of wards equal to the 4 others, which is indeed several hundred houses added to each server.

[Arillyn]

Well, it certainly in part defeats the entire purpose of the changes they've made thus far considering to a good degree the damage has already been done long before they even introduced the system- So I feel grandfathering people just in part defeats it. I don't mind the shortage as much as I do mind the simple fact many people are sat on multiple houses with very negligent usage of them. An entire ward whilst far and few; still comes up as greedy and taking away from those that would genuinely use the house. Not sure what the person was thinking when they thought invisible and randomized timers was a good idea, anything that delays the initial purchase window even with a fixed timer.

The last paragraph is precisely why they just need to be more relentless and delve closer into scorched earth. Make it so there's a payment over-time. Be it with Gil or grand company seals for personal housing, or company (FC) credits for houses registered as an FC. At least then there's an upkeep requirement, which wouldn't make it very pragmatic for those that are excessive or negligent to housing in general. I know there's 1 person on Spriggan that has an entire Goblet ward to themselves. Have yet to see them doing anything significant with it in the past 12 months, which is why I'm very annoyed by this topic because there are players and FCs who would genuinely benefit from a medium/large house. Smalls still available on Spriggan but that doesn't preclude the point that it's downright greedy and unnecessary, especially when there's going to be an inevitable upsurge of active players as we delve closer to 6.0. But alas the latter part of this is just my ramblings.

I personally wouldn't be bothered by an upkeep payment in gil or fc credits. For my personal I could totally handle that and I use my house all the time. The FC I'm in is active and credits is no problem to come by. My only concern here would be for the people who don't tend to make much in gil. I have friends who have personal houses and they had to scrape the gil to get it and they use their house a lot. And while I know gil is easy to make in this game now, some people really aren't very good at it still. I can't speak to the fc credit thing really because again, the fc I'm in is active and we are always racking up the fc credits.

[Awha]

Well, it certainly in part defeats the entire purpose of the changes they've made thus far considering to a good degree the damage has already been done long before they even introduced the system- So I feel grandfathering people just in part defeats it. I don't mind the shortage as much as I do mind the simple fact many people are sat on multiple houses with very negligent usage of them. An entire ward whilst far and few; still comes up as greedy and taking away from those that would genuinely use the house. Not sure what the person was thinking when they thought invisible and randomized timers was a good idea, anything that delays the initial purchase window even with a fixed timer.

The last paragraph is precisely why they just need to be more relentless and delve closer into scorched earth. Make it so there's a payment over-time. Be it with Gil or grand company seals for personal housing, or company (FC) credits for houses registered as an FC. At least then there's an upkeep requirement, which wouldn't make it very pragmatic for those that are excessive or negligent to housing in general. I know there's 1 person on Spriggan that has an entire Goblet ward to themselves. Have yet to see them doing anything significant with it in the past 12 months, which is why I'm very annoyed by this topic because there are players and FCs who would genuinely benefit from a medium/large house. Smalls still available on Spriggan but that doesn't preclude the point that it's downright greedy and unnecessary, especially when there's going to be an inevitable upsurge of active players as we delve closer to 6.0. But alas the latter part of this is just my ramblings.

Problem with the gil approach once again only negatively impacts those less fortunate. Since personally for me to use it the cost would have to be insane for me to even feel it. Just one of my alts has 400 mil.

Also how do we define negligence? I own multiple large plots I do not decorate any of my plots I just use it for gardening and workshops. I am using them but by the standards of those on my server I do not because my houses are barren.

Scorched earth methods hardly ever truly negatively impact those they are aimed at it. It mostly impacts everyone else.

[VirusOnline]

Only if they go back and give players a warning period in which if they own multiple houses, then they will lose all houses barring the first character which has a house. This also stands for people that use FCs to own multiple houses- even an entire ward.

I don't want them introducing a feature if they won't follow through and get rid of the preexisting damage that has been done, otherwise, there is no point.

Sadly, we still suffer the exploits of the new housing system that happened at the beginning to the random click event that is now housing.
If anyone remembers, there was a way for people to buy multiple houses due to an unchecked vulnerability.
Those houses that were snatched up by the same multiple FCs still exist under their name to this day.

Everything will be grandfathered in when systems change like it or not.

I mean if they took away the FC aspect I would personally just buy accounts and just transfer them to characters that way. I mean I had 24 wow accounts what is another 8 FFXIV accounts.

I think you are at the extreme end when it comes to . . . house buying enthusiasts.
Also, wth.

[Kaurhz]

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I can in some respects see it being an issue, but hence the multiple factor payment. Gil, you can get quite comfortably even through levequests.. Equally giving people an option to pay via Grand Company seals allows for people to build these up naturally through the course of their play. I wouldn't exactly be proposing exorbitant amounts, but across the course of a month, a 50-100K Grand Company Seals payout per month (Which is perfectly reasonable) alone would nigh on be impractical for people with a significant amount of personal houses spread across multiple characters. 50K GC Seals per month across an entire subdivision equates to 1.5M company seals; enjoy doing that monthly if you feel you need 30 houses, you'd have a harsh time with this if you're going the personal house route. So I feel the option to pay with Gil, or to pay with Seals should be allowed. With respect to Gil, if you even have a Culinarian leveled up to 80 then per day you can make approximately 108,000 Gil per day.

If your FC is in a state where collectively across the cohort you cannot meet enough to pay the costs in Company (FC) seals then you probably shouldn't have an FC plot in the first place to be quite frank, especially when the minimum requirement specified for getting a plot in the first place is 4 members.

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As above, it addresses the first section of your quote. The issue wouldn't be as much the initial upkeep/maintenance cost for it, but keeping it up on the other hand is a different issue entirely. Again, a Level 80 crafter per day can make 108,000Gil per day within 10 minutes (18K Gil per allowance). For someone with a significant number of houses keeping up the pace would be nigh on untenable. Besides, for those that even remotely use their house, then you will find gardening will offset the costs. If you're proactively using the houses or the benefits it provides then it should be a nonissue. But if you're ​sat on several houses and being greedy about the matter, then once again it quickly becomes impractical to sustain a large volume of houses to yourself, as it should be.

I can't believe I'm having to define this but ok. Negligence would be defined in this specific context as having a house yet not doing anything with it, at all to even justify the need for having the house in the first place. Though maybe negligence in this specific case may not be the most appropriate word, but that's just playing semantics.

For someone on several houses, the outlined methods would make it largely impractical for most people to sustain it if they're being greedy about how many houses they own.

[Awha]

I can in some respects see it being an issue, but hence the multiple factor payment. Gil, you can get quite comfortably even through levequests.. Equally giving people an option to pay via Grand Company seals allows for people to build these up naturally through the course of their play. I wouldn't exactly be proposing exorbitant amounts, but across the course of a month, a 50-100K Grand Company Seals payout per month (Which is perfectly reasonable) alone would nigh on massacres people with a significant amount of personal houses spread across multiple characters. 50K GC Seals per month across an entire ward equates to 1.5M company seals, you'd have a harsh time with this if you're going the personal house route. So I feel the option to pay with Gil, or to pay with Seals should be allowed. With respect to Gil, if you even have a Culinarian levelled up to 80 then per day you can make approximately 108,000 Gil per day.

If your FC is in a state where collectively across the cohort you cannot meet enough to pay the costs in Company (FC) seals then you probably shouldn't have an FC plot in the first place to be quite frank, especially when the minimum requirement specified for getting a plot in the first place is 4 members.



As above, it addresses the first section of your quote. The issue wouldn't be as much the initial upkeep/maintenance cost for it, but keeping it up on the other hand is a different issue entirely. Again, a Level 80 crafter per day can make 108,000Gil per day within 10 minutes (18K Gil per allowance). For someone with a significant number of houses keeping up the pace would be nigh on untenable. Besides, for those that even remotely use their house, then you will find gardening will offset the costs. If you're proactively using the houses or the benefits it provides then it should be a nonissue. But if you're ​sat on several houses and being greedy about the matter, then once again it quickly becomes impractical to sustain a large volume of houses to yourself, as it should be.

I can't believe I'm having to define this but ok. Negligence would be defined in this specific context as having a house yet not doing anything with it, at all to even justify the need for having the house in the first place.

For someone on several houses, the outlined methods would make it largely impractical for most people to sustain it if they're being greedy about how many houses they own.

Though that is the thing your system would negatively impact the smaller FC that may not play the game daily. They have dond nothing wrong yet your suggestion throws them under the bus to try and get back at those with many plots. See woefully unfair. Trying to retroactively fix the housing situation since in the grand scheme I am sure shell FC owners are in the vast minority and harkens back to the pop chat removal in feast. They took the scorched Earth approach to battle toxic behavior and it legit did not change much those who want to be toxic are still toxic just makes it harder for those legit players who were not toxic.

Right now all these suggestions amount to using a bandaid to stop the bleeding from a hole in ones gut. Sure it is an effort and sure they got the right idea to try and stop the bleeding but yeah it does not do much in the grand scheme.

What I am saying is negligence for some would be not having decorated plot. That line is impossible to draw that would please everyone. These threads pop up because people are trying to find some tangible reason as to why they do not have a house. Since going based off SE is unwilling or unable to put in the time and money required to improve the system. Far easier to just poke at the people that have multiple plots and paint them as the overall villains in their narrative.

By in large I think you are vastly underestimating how much gil many of the multi plot owners actually have. Sure if it was solely a grand company cost then maybe that would cause a problem but if gil is an option then it would barely phase most multi plot owners I think.

Sadly, we still suffer the exploits of the new housing system that happened at the beginning to the random click event that is now housing.
If anyone remembers, there was a way for people to buy multiple houses due to an unchecked vulnerability.
Those houses that were snatched up by the same multiple FCs still exist under their name to this day.

Everything will be grandfathered in when systems change like it or not.



I think you are at the extreme end when it comes to . . . house buying enthusiasts.
Also, wth.

I think it is safe to say that many of us who own multiple plots through FC's are in the minority, and would be willing to go through such lengths to keep their plots.

Also yeah that multi box life was fun in WoW.

[Kaurhz]

What I am saying is negligence for some would be not having decorated plot. That line is impossible to draw that would please everyone. These threads pop up because people are trying to find some tangible reason as to why they do not have a house. Since going based off SE is unwilling or unable to put in the time and money required to improve the system. Far easier to just poke at the people that have multiple plots and paint them as the overall villains in their narrative.

Though that is the thing your system would negatively impact the smaller FC that may not play the game daily. They have dond nothing wrong yet your suggestion throws them under the bus to try and get back at those with many plots. See woefully unfair. Trying to retroactively fix the housing situation since in the grand scheme I am sure shell FC owners are in the vast minority and harkens back to the pop chat removal in feast. They took the scorched Earth approach to battle toxic behavior and it legit did not change much those who want to be toxic are still toxic just makes it harder for those legit players who were not toxic.

Right now all these suggestions amount to using a bandaid to stop the bleeding from a hole in ones gut. Sure it is an effort and sure they got the right idea to try and stop the bleeding but yeah it does not do much in the grand scheme.

You underestimate just how easy and natural it is to get Company Credits even playing infrequently and just doing routine activities like roulettes, and questing. The challenge isn't with how difficult it is, but rather how impractical it is for someone with 30 houses to sustain this across the course of a month and all subsequent months without it taking significant time out of their gameplay on their main character or tole on them in the long run. How practical or impractical it is for smaller and less active FCs is entirely deterministic on how steep this cost would be.

What is woefully unfair is trying to justify the use of having several houses to yourself via either being grandfathered in or circumventing their restrictions for purchasing housing by having several accounts, when housing is as it stands already completely scarce on most servers.

Again, just overall failure to give it proper care, attention, or use, be it through proactively doing workshops, gardening, or through decoration as a private space. There's nothing worse than someone that has a house that by any definition of the term is not utilized whatsoever. People don't have a house for a combination of issues, be it lack of availability in genuine circumstances, or not having sufficient Gil to be able to purchase the house in the first place, or their desired plot being unavailable. Equally, people having multiple houses only exacerbates these issues much further, so it is expected that people with multiple houses will be painted as villains.

[LaylaTsarra]

I don't think it's irrelevant when SE grandfathered people in from the start. If they were going to take houses away they should have done it when they implemented the changes. They didn't and I think it would be bad business if they did it this late in the game.

It's not going to happen. They aren't going to take away grandfathered homes from people who did nothing wrong but follow the rules at the time. I seriously doubt they'll limit transfers either other than possibly including a retransfer cool down which seems pretty reasonable. The solution is more housing and addressing the timer issue.

Any new rules that may come as a result of Ishgard in 6.1 will affect new plots only.

[kaynide]

Unpopular opinion, but I’d say just no more individual housing allowed. No more transfers of individual houses either.

You have one, no penalty as you are grandfather’d in...but moving forward, houses are Fc only.

..and I’m saying this as a person with 3 houses. I would gladly give them away if there was a better instanced housing system.

[LaylaTsarra]

No more transfers of individual houses either.

Not going to happen. Transfers aren't the problem the timer is. That is what needs to be addressed and the availability of new housing plots.

I may be wrong but this sounds a bit like a form of instanced housing to me.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fanta...land-sanctuary

They also need to decouple Workshops and Gardening from FC housing and perhaps the island sanctuary might address gardening if cross breading is an option and you can grow the same types of things ward houses allow now. Workshops need to go to GC so all can benefit from the rewards it gives.

Additionally apartments need to be expanded to small, medium and large given the current itineration of them is pretty sad. Oddly enough was something they said they were looking at 2 years ago but nothing new about them since.

Edit: sorry mis-linked that earlier.