Major changes needed for housing

[linayar]

I would have to find it, but when SE made it so you could only have one FC house on a server, what happened was this: Person A & B are in an FC that owns a house (mind you that neither person A or B had to be the owner of the FC, they were just in an FC that had a house). And then say person B had an alt on the same world that joined another FC that didn't yet have a house. Person B's alt also doesn't own this FC, they are just in another FC on the same world. That FC that doesn't have a house yet will never be able to buy a house because someone in the FC has another character in another FC with a house. That's why they quietly changed it. I think their code couldn't deal with the nuance of the situation that someone could have two characters in different FCs on the same server and it would mess up another FC from getting a house ever - even if that person owned neither FC.

It's fine to fix that. I think as long as neither character is the FC leader (or only one), there is no problem. They just need to prevent the case where both characters (or more) are able to be FC leaders that each owns a house.

Bottom line - SE's housing system is awful and they need to make player housing unlimited so anyone can have a house (personal or FC).

If they can, then sure. But if they cannot, then a firm restriction is better than a weak one that can be bypassed.

[NanaWiloh]

Not all multiple home owners are SINGULAR PLAYERS!!! Some of these people are actual entire FC's with members going out gobbling up homes. As for account to be 1 leader of FC wont work. I am FC leader I can give any member of my FC full control of the FC without passing leadership. There are only two things I cant grant them 1. The power disband the FC 2. Control what permissions I have as leader. Auto promotion takes 90 days to kick in and the momnet I log in it resets. Do to the 90 day promotion system and the fact that any member can reset the FC house timer, I techinically only have to log in 4 times out of the year to keep my rank has FC lead. How do we solve these problem well.. one charge 250k GC week in upkeep for FC houses. FC's with multiple homes GONE!! FC leaders have to play 15 hrs a week to keep their rank and they are the only ones who can reset the FC house timer. Take away the FC leaders ability to grant permissions to others..

To be blunt if you not willing punish innocent and less fortunate players then dont suggest these two idea's.

[Awha]

Not all multiple home owners are SINGULAR PLAYERS!!! Some of these people are actual entire FC's with members going out gobbling up homes. As for account to be 1 leader of FC wont work. I am FC leader I can give any member of my FC full control of the FC without passing leadership. There are only two things I cant grant them 1. The power disband the FC 2. Control what permissions I have as leader. Auto promotion takes 90 days to kick in and the momnet I log in it resets. Do to the 90 day promotion system and the fact that any member can reset the FC house timer, I techinically only have to log in 4 times out of the year to keep my rank has FC lead. How do we solve these problem well.. one charge 250k GC week in upkeep for FC houses. FC's with multiple homes GONE!! FC leaders have to play 15 hrs a week to keep their rank and they are the only ones who can reset the FC house timer. Take away the FC leaders ability to grant permissions to others..

To be blunt if you not willing punish innocent and less fortunate players then dont suggest these two idea's.

That is the thing though people are willing to do that just to come after the small group of players that have many houses. Which is weird to me. Especially since those who have multiple plots are operating within in allowed system presented by SE.

The sad reality is any tax, fee, change to relocation will simply impacted the general player base far more then any change aimed towards reigning in those who have excess.

People truly underestimate the lengths people will go to maintain their current standard of living and overestimate how prevalent this issue really is, and how hard it currently is to break into said market and do this.

Though I will say if SE is in a tight spot cause yes people like myself are greedy but people throw that around like it is inherently wrong or those that have care what people think of their actions. Like the GC idea would make it impossible for me to maintain all my plots that is for certain only at the obscene amount. I doubt most general players would look forward to having to farm GC seals just to keep their FC which is mostly the only action that could in practice make owning multiple plots impossible. Though can we say for certain it would not negatively impact the general player base.

On a side note I think SE needs to pick a stance on housing do they want it be to be finite resources that is meant to be scarce or do they want it to be viable for everyone.

[Awha]

That is the thing though people are willing to do that just to come after the small group of players that have many houses. Which is weird to me. Especially since those who have multiple plots are operating within in allowed system presented by SE.

The sad reality is any tax, fee, change to relocation will simply impacted the general player base far more then any change aimed towards reigning in those who have excess.

People truly underestimate the lengths people will go to maintain their current standard of living and overestimate how prevalent this issue really is, and how hard it currently is to break into said market and do this.

Though I will say if SE is in a tight spot cause yes people like myself are greedy but people throw that around like it is inherently wrong or those that have care what people think of their actions. Like the GC idea would make it impossible for me to maintain all my plots that is for certain only at the obscene amount. I doubt most general players would look forward to having to farm GC seals just to keep their FC which is mostly the only action that could in practice make owning multiple plots impossible. Though can we say for certain it would not negatively impact the general player base.

On a side note I think SE needs to pick a stance on housing do they want it be to be finite resources that is meant to be scarce or do they want it to be viable for everyone.

What exactly did they lift? The personal part or FC part or both? As far as I'm aware, you still can only own 1 house on one world per account.

Sorry reached my post limit before. Though when the restriction was placed it caused issues with FC and plots. So I think it was a patch or two later they removed that restriction regarding 1 personal and 1 FC now you can have 1 personal and 8 FC. Though I stopped playing around SB I just recently came back and have picked up numerous FC plots with the help of friends we are going to try and relocate to a same ward come 6.1 so we can make a small community.

[linayar]

Sorry reached my post limit before. Though when the restriction was placed it caused issues with FC and plots. So I think it was a patch or two later they removed that restriction regarding 1 personal and 1 FC now you can have 1 personal and 8 FC. Though I stopped playing around SB I just recently came back and have picked up numerous FC plots with the help of friends we are going to try and relocate to a same ward come 6.1 so we can make a small community.

Do you mean you can personally purchase 8 FC houses in the same world on 8 characters in the same service account?

Or do you mean you can own 8 FC houses via transference of FC leadership that comes with a house each?

[Awha]

Do you mean you can personally purchase 8 FC houses in the same world on 8 characters in the same service account?

Or do you mean you can own 8 FC houses via transference of FC leadership that comes with a house each?

I did buy two during the mass demo timer drop a month or so ago after they enabled the timer. The other six I bought off reddit. From what I have been told by that community the fc restrictions regarding transferring was the loop hole that was used when it was in place though as it stands now you can buy multiple fc plots per character.

Though I have seen conflicting info regarding. I was unable to try and buy all 8 just due to the lack of supply though I will be trying come 6.1 since I have been using road to 70 to level toons on other accounts for that reason.

[NanaWiloh]

That is the thing though people are willing to do that just to come after the small group of players that have many houses. Which is weird to me. Especially since those who have multiple plots are operating within in allowed system presented by SE.

The sad reality is any tax, fee, change to relocation will simply impacted the general player base far more then any change aimed towards reigning in those who have excess.

People truly underestimate the lengths people will go to maintain their current standard of living and overestimate how prevalent this issue really is, and how hard it currently is to break into said market and do this.

Though I will say if SE is in a tight spot cause yes people like myself are greedy but people throw that around like it is inherently wrong or those that have care what people think of their actions. Like the GC idea would make it impossible for me to maintain all my plots that is for certain only at the obscene amount. I doubt most general players would look forward to having to farm GC seals just to keep their FC which is mostly the only action that could in practice make owning multiple plots impossible. Though can we say for certain it would not negatively impact the general player base.

On a side note I think SE needs to pick a stance on housing do they want it be to be finite resources that is meant to be scarce or do they want it to be viable for everyone.

Its weird to me as well, I am not in agreement with people taking advantage of the system. I have spent more then my share of time trying to think up solutions and find most have loop holes that can be exploited heavily.

[Tlachtga]

housing probably isn't going to change

the playerbase is in a situation where they'll most likely keep paying the monthly sub even if they're not playing the game anymore in order to keep their houses.

yoshida's comments about how its fine if people take a break if the game isn't fun for them anymore, knowing full well people are highly unlikely to fully unsub given the terrible housing situation in place was *chef's kiss*

from a business standpoint, its bloody genius. why would you change that?

[Ravenblade1979]

I must say I am impressed by responses. Lots of good discussion but in the end a huge portion of us agree changes need to be made

[Ravenblade1979]

Do you mean you can personally purchase 8 FC houses in the same world on 8 characters in the same service account?

Or do you mean you can own 8 FC houses via transference of FC leadership that comes with a house each?

He used the loophole and got 7 additional fcs using alts on the same world and most likely his friends did too