Mentor Requirements

[Jin-]

Is mentor really a problem? Or Novice Network? It isn't about the crown for many, many keeps it hidden since it's just tacky icon.
To me this is once again another of those "problems" when everything is fine and dandy so you keep trying to make something a problem.

[LianaThorne]

do you do +20 dungeons everyday single weekday?

Again, how many runs I do a day is literally irrelevant because that's not your issue. Your issue is that you don't like how people in NN act. Raising requirements won't force people to act appropriately. People who aren't the nicest will still participate in the grind. As it's been said by other people, the only way to remove people who are becoming Mentors solely for the crown/mount is to remove them entirely. The requirements to become one aren't the issue. I feel like a broken record at this point.

[GeminiReed]

Raising requirements won't force people to act appropriately. People who aren't the nicest will still participate in the grind.

I'd argue raising the bar would filter out everybody but the achievement hunters and collectors.

As it's been said by other people, the only way to remove people who are becoming Mentors solely for the crown/mount is to remove them entirely.

Yep. Increasing requirements would only make the problem worse. The correct way to address it is to remove all the incentives: No mount, no titles, no costumes. Only display the icon in NN or when queued via mentor roulette.

Once those are in place then the requirements can be reviewed for reduction.

[Lanadra]

I'd argue raising the bar would filter out everybody but the achievement hunters and collectors.


Yep. Increasing requirements would only make the problem worse. The correct way to address it is to remove all the incentives: No mount, no titles, no costumes. Only display the icon in NN or when queued via mentor roulette.

Once those are in place then the requirements can be reviewed for reduction.

Even Mentor Roulette shouldn't be a thing. It's something to aim for, something someone may want.. and thus becomes one of those 'this is the only reason I became a mentor' things. Ergo, leaving it solves nothing.

[GeminiReed]

It's something to aim for, something someone may want..

Why? Without the associated titles, costume, and mount what incentive is there for anybody to do it other than to help returners, sprouts, or people stuck waiting for a queue pop? According to the wikis the gil and tomestone payouts are rather laughable.

[Kaurhz]

I'd argue raising the bar would filter out everybody but the achievement hunters and collectors.


Yep. Increasing requirements would only make the problem worse. The correct way to address it is to remove all the incentives: No mount, no titles, no costumes. Only display the icon in NN or when queued via mentor roulette.

Once those are in place then the requirements can be reviewed for reduction.

I don't think incentivizing mentor roulettes through the use of giving mount and title rewards is such a bad idea, because it has very little reflection on the mentor system itself if they were to just outright remove the crown (since they'd be like any other player in the instance, barring the supposed 'experience'), retain the roulette and allow people to queue in a massive pool of duties, not to mention this aspect does have benefits for sprouts, given some of the things these people do queue for.

Besides, the issue is almost entirely with the crown itself; it's nothing but a disgusting glorified icon to make players feel special/unique. rather than the mount/title which I strongly feel the people actively going for these are almost doing more good than harm.