ROYAL RUBY • NIGHTCLUB • BEHEMOTH/PRIMAL

[Bsrking5]

Good Wagyu steak is crazy expensive for a reason and that reason doesn't apply here. Dzo are a free roaming yak-like creature native to the azim steppe, which live in abundance and have a lot of meat on them and aren't raised or bred like the cows used for Wagyu.

The fairest comparison would be a high quality non-Wagyu steak.

In fairness, it's a Dzo steak we're talking about and not an FFXIV equivalent of a Wagyu, Wagyu is ridiculous priced for a reason, which doesn't apply to Dzo in FFXIV.

Thats the whole point in RPing that. And 10k isnt that expensive in term of gil per hour for normal activities ingame. You could definitely argue a point of it being closer to 2-5k range if they where RPing off of RL values for their menus. But a larger point is that its worth whatever they can find a customer to buy it for. Like IV bags would cost an insane amount from a hospital but are super cheap everywhere else.

[Shibi]

My Xaela characters could become very rich if dzo was as valuable as wagyu.

If you start feeding them on olives, moreso if you have a long established bloodline so you can claim some heritage, you might be able to bump up the price per onze.

[Saefinn]

Thats the whole point in RPing that. And 10k isnt that expensive in term of gil per hour for normal activities ingame. You could definitely argue a point of it being closer to 2-5k range if they where RPing off of RL values for their menus. But a larger point is that its worth whatever they can find a customer to buy it for. Like IV bags would cost an insane amount from a hospital but are super cheap everywhere else.

If we're talking about an immersive experience within a roleplay setting, paying 10,000 real gil to me seems crazy, I realise everybody is doing it on that data center it seems, but it's still crazy. It's crazy from an out of character sense because it's way cheaper to make. It's crazy from an in character perspective because within the game world's setting, 10,000 gil would be ludicrously expensive for a dzo steak even if we're talking gourmet mark ups. Player economy is highly unreliable to base the game world's economy. So you use in world points of reference. And in a data center where there isn't a problem with people exploiting RP to make bank OOCly the prices are a lot closer to those in world points of reference and feel a lot more reasonable and realistic from an RP point of view and most importantly, are in character prices, not out of character prices.


Ultimately what it ties down to is not some RP justification, or some IC justification or even OOC justification, dzo steaks are cheap to make...if they HAVE to be made.

It ties down to there this norm of trying to make money off of RP on other data centers where RP is scarce.

OP may be one of them or OP might be doing what he think is right in what sounds like a terrible norm.

People can do it if they really want to, but let's not pretend there's an RP justification for it. But I find it terrible that it is in a state where charging for RP is the norm.

If you think about it, based on these standards, if my character concept was a billionaire Ul'dah entrepreneur. I'd have to be a billionaire in game. And if my billionaire showed up and bought everybody drinks then I'd be screwed if it was a new character I created and I only have 10,000gil to my name. But it might be the exact thing this character does, he might be the sort to be frivolous and try to buy friends, because he's that shallow.

I'd have to toss that entire concept aside until I get the gil to be able to RP that concept.

[Teppie]

If we're talking about an immersive experience within a roleplay setting, paying 10,000 real gil to me seems crazy, I realise everybody is doing it on that data center it seems, but it's still crazy. It's crazy from an out of character sense because it's way cheaper to make. It's crazy from an in character perspective because within the game world's setting, 10,000 gil would be ludicrously expensive for a dzo steak even if we're talking gourmet mark ups. Player economy is highly unreliable to base the game world's economy. So you use in world points of reference. And in a data center where there isn't a problem with people exploiting RP to make bank OOCly the prices are a lot closer to those in world points of reference and feel a lot more reasonable and realistic from an RP point of view and most importantly, are in character prices, not out of character prices.


Ultimately what it ties down to is not some RP justification, or some IC justification or even OOC justification, dzo steaks are cheap to make...if they HAVE to be made.

It ties down to there this norm of trying to make money off of RP on other data centers where RP is scarce.

OP may be one of them or OP might be doing what he think is right in what sounds like a terrible norm.

People can do it if they really want to, but let's not pretend there's an RP justification for it. But I find it terrible that it is in a state where charging for RP is the norm.

If you think about it, based on these standards, if my character concept was a billionaire Ul'dah entrepreneur. I'd have to be a billionaire in game. And if my billionaire showed up and bought everybody drinks then I'd be screwed if it was a new character I created and I only have 10,000gil to my name. But it might be the exact thing this character does, he might be the sort to be frivolous and try to buy friends, because he's that shallow.

I'd have to toss that entire concept aside until I get the gil to be able to RP that concept.

Getting a lot of gil isn't really all that hard. You can find a venue that doesn't charge for drinks/food, you can discuss the RP idea with the venue operators to see if they'll play along with your RP concept. You can define new elements to your character that makes him more stingy. That seems to be creating a problem when there are obvious solutions. I don't really charge for food and drinks at my venue because I don't like putting that kind of effort into accepting gil. I'll just let people tip, and all our food is an in-RP offering anyways without the inventory clutter.

[Shibi]

It's crazy from an in character perspective because within the game world's setting, 10,000 gil would be ludicrously expensive for a dzo steak even if we're talking gourmet mark ups.

Not sure it is. Let's stick to vendor gear bought from NPC's as that rules out marketboard fluctuations. A pair of level 70 Gazelleskin shoes in Kugane is G21,859. Just average work boots. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Gazelleskin_Shoes

Let's equate that G21,859 to a rathr average pair of work boots on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Timberland-PR.../dp/B000XEX0Z0 as an example for US$95.

So, G1 = US$0.0043 (A bit under half a USA cent)

A 10,000 gil steak - served to you - is about US$43.21 based on NPC valuation.

What's a steak at a place like Outback cost? $35.00 ( https://online.flippingbook.com/view/250386/ has their menu )

So, is it really that far off the mark? It's not like Outback is Haute Cuisine, from what I hear.

[SpeckledBurd]

Not sure it is. Let's stick to vendor gear bought from NPC's as that rules out marketboard fluctuations. A pair of level 70 Gazelleskin shoes in Kugane is G21,859. Just average work boots. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Gazelleskin_Shoes

Let's equate that G21,859 to a rathr average pair of work boots on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Timberland-PR.../dp/B000XEX0Z0 as an example for US$95.

So, G1 = US$0.0043 (A bit under half a USA cent)

A 10,000 gil steak - served to you - is about US$43.21 based on NPC valuation.

What's a steak at a place like Outback cost? $35.00 ( https://online.flippingbook.com/view/250386/ has their menu )

So, is it really that far off the mark? It's not like Outback is Haute Cuisine, from what I hear.

While it's still a gameplay abstraction to some degree, the level of gear and the level of players actually is somewhat of a measurement of character's skill. Level 70 is pretty much of the opposite of an average worker and those wouldn't be average work shoes. That's actually the gear of not just a professional, but someone who is an absolute elite in their field. Obviously this makes sense, because the person buying it at that amount, The Warrior of Light, isn't someone of average skill, they're a grandmaster craftsman.

An actual average pair of workboots in universe is more likely to be something like the Padded Leather Duckbills of Gathering which cost around 500 gil.

[Theodric]

Each to their own, I guess - but the whole 'charging people in-game currency in exchange for role-play' element seems to very much be an American trend rather than a European one. When I role-played in WoW, it just wasn't a thing on the EU servers. It's but one of many habits that pushed me away from the NA servers in FFXIV when I tried to strike up role-play there.

[SturmChurro]

I did tell you all so, didn't I?

[Shibi]

While it's still a gameplay abstraction to some degree, the level of gear and the level of players actually is somewhat of a measurement of character's skill. Level 70 is pretty much of the opposite of an average worker and those wouldn't be average work shoes.

Have you ever phoned a plumber at 2am when your dunny clogs? Those guys can afford pentamelded aesthetes right out of their apprenticeship!

[Arrius]

Have you ever phoned a plumber at 2am when your dunny clogs? Those guys can afford pentamelded aesthetes right out of their apprenticeship!

If they ever manage to be available and are able to come around at that time, they deserve the extra charge they want from it.