ROYAL RUBY • NIGHTCLUB • BEHEMOTH/PRIMAL

[Bsrking5]

Good Wagyu steak is crazy expensive for a reason and that reason doesn't apply here. Dzo are a free roaming yak-like creature native to the azim steppe, which live in abundance and have a lot of meat on them and aren't raised or bred like the cows used for Wagyu.

The fairest comparison would be a high quality non-Wagyu steak.

In fairness, it's a Dzo steak we're talking about and not an FFXIV equivalent of a Wagyu, Wagyu is ridiculous priced for a reason, which doesn't apply to Dzo in FFXIV.

Thats the whole point in RPing that. And 10k isnt that expensive in term of gil per hour for normal activities ingame. You could definitely argue a point of it being closer to 2-5k range if they where RPing off of RL values for their menus. But a larger point is that its worth whatever they can find a customer to buy it for. Like IV bags would cost an insane amount from a hospital but are super cheap everywhere else.

[Saefinn]

Thats the whole point in RPing that. And 10k isnt that expensive in term of gil per hour for normal activities ingame. You could definitely argue a point of it being closer to 2-5k range if they where RPing off of RL values for their menus. But a larger point is that its worth whatever they can find a customer to buy it for. Like IV bags would cost an insane amount from a hospital but are super cheap everywhere else.

If we're talking about an immersive experience within a roleplay setting, paying 10,000 real gil to me seems crazy, I realise everybody is doing it on that data center it seems, but it's still crazy. It's crazy from an out of character sense because it's way cheaper to make. It's crazy from an in character perspective because within the game world's setting, 10,000 gil would be ludicrously expensive for a dzo steak even if we're talking gourmet mark ups. Player economy is highly unreliable to base the game world's economy. So you use in world points of reference. And in a data center where there isn't a problem with people exploiting RP to make bank OOCly the prices are a lot closer to those in world points of reference and feel a lot more reasonable and realistic from an RP point of view and most importantly, are in character prices, not out of character prices.


Ultimately what it ties down to is not some RP justification, or some IC justification or even OOC justification, dzo steaks are cheap to make...if they HAVE to be made.

It ties down to there this norm of trying to make money off of RP on other data centers where RP is scarce.

OP may be one of them or OP might be doing what he think is right in what sounds like a terrible norm.

People can do it if they really want to, but let's not pretend there's an RP justification for it. But I find it terrible that it is in a state where charging for RP is the norm.

If you think about it, based on these standards, if my character concept was a billionaire Ul'dah entrepreneur. I'd have to be a billionaire in game. And if my billionaire showed up and bought everybody drinks then I'd be screwed if it was a new character I created and I only have 10,000gil to my name. But it might be the exact thing this character does, he might be the sort to be frivolous and try to buy friends, because he's that shallow.

I'd have to toss that entire concept aside until I get the gil to be able to RP that concept.

[Teppie]

If we're talking about an immersive experience within a roleplay setting, paying 10,000 real gil to me seems crazy, I realise everybody is doing it on that data center it seems, but it's still crazy. It's crazy from an out of character sense because it's way cheaper to make. It's crazy from an in character perspective because within the game world's setting, 10,000 gil would be ludicrously expensive for a dzo steak even if we're talking gourmet mark ups. Player economy is highly unreliable to base the game world's economy. So you use in world points of reference. And in a data center where there isn't a problem with people exploiting RP to make bank OOCly the prices are a lot closer to those in world points of reference and feel a lot more reasonable and realistic from an RP point of view and most importantly, are in character prices, not out of character prices.


Ultimately what it ties down to is not some RP justification, or some IC justification or even OOC justification, dzo steaks are cheap to make...if they HAVE to be made.

It ties down to there this norm of trying to make money off of RP on other data centers where RP is scarce.

OP may be one of them or OP might be doing what he think is right in what sounds like a terrible norm.

People can do it if they really want to, but let's not pretend there's an RP justification for it. But I find it terrible that it is in a state where charging for RP is the norm.

If you think about it, based on these standards, if my character concept was a billionaire Ul'dah entrepreneur. I'd have to be a billionaire in game. And if my billionaire showed up and bought everybody drinks then I'd be screwed if it was a new character I created and I only have 10,000gil to my name. But it might be the exact thing this character does, he might be the sort to be frivolous and try to buy friends, because he's that shallow.

I'd have to toss that entire concept aside until I get the gil to be able to RP that concept.

Getting a lot of gil isn't really all that hard. You can find a venue that doesn't charge for drinks/food, you can discuss the RP idea with the venue operators to see if they'll play along with your RP concept. You can define new elements to your character that makes him more stingy. That seems to be creating a problem when there are obvious solutions. I don't really charge for food and drinks at my venue because I don't like putting that kind of effort into accepting gil. I'll just let people tip, and all our food is an in-RP offering anyways without the inventory clutter.

[Shibi]

It's crazy from an in character perspective because within the game world's setting, 10,000 gil would be ludicrously expensive for a dzo steak even if we're talking gourmet mark ups.

Not sure it is. Let's stick to vendor gear bought from NPC's as that rules out marketboard fluctuations. A pair of level 70 Gazelleskin shoes in Kugane is G21,859. Just average work boots. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Gazelleskin_Shoes

Let's equate that G21,859 to a rathr average pair of work boots on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Timberland-PR.../dp/B000XEX0Z0 as an example for US$95.

So, G1 = US$0.0043 (A bit under half a USA cent)

A 10,000 gil steak - served to you - is about US$43.21 based on NPC valuation.

What's a steak at a place like Outback cost? $35.00 ( https://online.flippingbook.com/view/250386/ has their menu )

So, is it really that far off the mark? It's not like Outback is Haute Cuisine, from what I hear.

[SpeckledBurd]

Not sure it is. Let's stick to vendor gear bought from NPC's as that rules out marketboard fluctuations. A pair of level 70 Gazelleskin shoes in Kugane is G21,859. Just average work boots. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Gazelleskin_Shoes

Let's equate that G21,859 to a rathr average pair of work boots on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Timberland-PR.../dp/B000XEX0Z0 as an example for US$95.

So, G1 = US$0.0043 (A bit under half a USA cent)

A 10,000 gil steak - served to you - is about US$43.21 based on NPC valuation.

What's a steak at a place like Outback cost? $35.00 ( https://online.flippingbook.com/view/250386/ has their menu )

So, is it really that far off the mark? It's not like Outback is Haute Cuisine, from what I hear.

While it's still a gameplay abstraction to some degree, the level of gear and the level of players actually is somewhat of a measurement of character's skill. Level 70 is pretty much of the opposite of an average worker and those wouldn't be average work shoes. That's actually the gear of not just a professional, but someone who is an absolute elite in their field. Obviously this makes sense, because the person buying it at that amount, The Warrior of Light, isn't someone of average skill, they're a grandmaster craftsman.

An actual average pair of workboots in universe is more likely to be something like the Padded Leather Duckbills of Gathering which cost around 500 gil.

[Shibi]

While it's still a gameplay abstraction to some degree, the level of gear and the level of players actually is somewhat of a measurement of character's skill. Level 70 is pretty much of the opposite of an average worker and those wouldn't be average work shoes.

Have you ever phoned a plumber at 2am when your dunny clogs? Those guys can afford pentamelded aesthetes right out of their apprenticeship!

[Arrius]

Have you ever phoned a plumber at 2am when your dunny clogs? Those guys can afford pentamelded aesthetes right out of their apprenticeship!

If they ever manage to be available and are able to come around at that time, they deserve the extra charge they want from it.

[Saefinn]

Not sure it is. Let's stick to vendor gear bought from NPC's as that rules out marketboard fluctuations. A pair of level 70 Gazelleskin shoes in Kugane is G21,859. Just average work boots. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Gazelleskin_Shoes

Let's equate that G21,859 to a rathr average pair of work boots on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Timberland-PR.../dp/B000XEX0Z0 as an example for US$95.

So, G1 = US$0.0043 (A bit under half a USA cent)

A 10,000 gil steak - served to you - is about US$43.21 based on NPC valuation.

What's a steak at a place like Outback cost? $35.00 ( https://online.flippingbook.com/view/250386/ has their menu )

So, is it really that far off the mark? It's not like Outback is Haute Cuisine, from what I hear.

And yet the most expensive steak in game is less than 500gil.

But again, it's not an IC justification here.

Take the prices you see here, and take the prices other people here have said they've been charge real gil for like 5000gil for an apple juice or another I've spotted where it's 4000gil for tea. Then take a look at price lists of venues that don't charge real gil. You'll find a big difference in prices. Typically you'd see around the 500gil range, some low balling to less than 100gil, the highest I've seen is around for 1,500 and that was for a very substantial meal.

At the end of the day the prices are designed to make money from players and are not based on in world logic or in-character logic.

Getting a lot of gil isn't really all that hard. You can find a venue that doesn't charge for drinks/food, you can discuss the RP idea with the venue operators to see if they'll play along with your RP concept. You can define new elements to your character that makes him more stingy. That seems to be creating a problem when there are obvious solutions. I don't really charge for food and drinks at my venue because I don't like putting that kind of effort into accepting gil. I'll just let people tip, and all our food is an in-RP offering anyways without the inventory clutter.

In this hypothetical situation I'd get turned away by one of these bars. Given the OP complained about how scarce and difficult it is to get RP on those datacentres, turning away a legit RPer with a legit character concept because they don't have the real gil to pay for RP would exclude me from RP until I could raise sufficient funds to play that character concept. Especially if it was a new character on a data centre I don't have access to money I have here (if talking specifically me) or if say it was a new or newish player doing this. Or somebody who didn't have money making down or heck, didn't fancy siphoning off lots of real gil away because their character is so frivolous.

I would have to seek out free venues like you mention, but from what the OP is saying and other posters are saying, charge high prices with real gil is the norm, so it sounds like my choice of free venues would be limited. Either way, it doesn't feel like a positive thing at all for this being the norm.

[Shibi]

And yet the most expensive steak in game is less than 500gil.

Clearly the chefs selling Fillet of Eft (Eft-Fil-A?) need to attend the same business school as the shoemakers!

[Saefinn]

Clearly the chefs selling Fillet of Eft (Eft-Fil-A?) need to attend the same business school as the shoemakers!

It still doesn't give IC justification for an item that:

- In Eorzea wouldn't be as expensive
- If sold by a venue that doesn't charge real gil would be sold for a lot less
- Isn't seemingly sold on the market board for near as much (but we know what the MB is like, people will over charge if they can)
- Costs nowhere as much to make
- But has a mark up that seems typical of venues trying to make real gil off of RPers and coincidentally is using real gil

It don't take a lot to figure out that the price isn't based on in character logic but is based on making money off of RPers logic. Nothing is stopping them from doing it and they're free to even if I disagree with it, but let's not pretend it's anything else
Heck even the OP has said they've based their prices on other venues who charge and that their market research was based on said other venues and took a very business like corporate mentality when looking what to charge real Gil for.



What he didn't do was look at what would be a fair price within the game's world, make reference to what would seem reasonable to a venue set in Eorzea. It very clearly has no in character justification.

My initial argument was that if it's the "best immersive experience" wouldn't the prices be more sensible to what you might expect when immersing yourself into an Eorzean setting? But ultimately they've taken a business mindset from the point of selling RP experiences and not from a business mindset within the frame of Eorzea. That's what they've set out to do, so I don't see any reason to try to make IC justifications for something not done for IC reasons.