Mentor Requirements

[Keramory]

The biggest flaw with this thread is the assumption that playing this game more will equate to people having better personalities. That simply isn't the case. You hit 80. You played a bunch of dungeons/trails to get the coms you did (hell you could cut the com requirement into a 4th of what it is). You know how to play. You have all the requirements of knowing how to help.

Nothing about adding more to any of this will make someone a better, more relatable person. If anything suggesting to increase it probably adds more to the toxic elitism attitudes that are creating most of the issues in the first place.

I'm trying to watch how often I compare FFXIV to FFXI but the FFXI mentor system had almost zero requirements and worked well. Heck people would bend over backwards to help out without it. You can't get mentors to spend 2 seconds to type an answer on FFXIV, but mentors in FFXI would spend 2 hours helping you farm something, easily. And that example isn't me being selective on rare examples, both are regular occurrences on their corresponding games. Your issue here is community based, not requirement based.

[MiriRynendaith]

The biggest flaw with this thread is the assumption that playing this game more will equate to people having better personalities. That simply isn't the case. You hit 80. You played a bunch of dungeons/trails to get the coms you did (hell you could cut the com requirement into a 4th of what it is). You know how to play. You have all the requirements of knowing how to help.

Nothing about adding more to any of this will make someone a better, more relatable person. If anything suggesting to increase it probably adds more to the toxic elitism attitudes that are creating most of the issues in the first place.

I'm trying to watch how often I compare FFXIV to FFXI but the FFXI mentor system had almost zero requirements and worked well. Heck people would bend over backwards to help out without it. You can't get mentors to spend 2 seconds to type an answer on FFXIV, but mentors in FFXI would spend 2 hours helping you farm something, easily. And that example isn't me being selective on rare examples, both are regular occurrences on their corresponding games. Your issue here is community based, not requirement based.

No in which you are correct, this is why I wanted to hear from other people on their aspects and I respect and agree with alot that has been said. Upping the requirements doesn't make sense more everyone's voices are addressed. However, I am more inclined to the idea of a flagging system in which was stated earlier to get the mentors that do not help at all removed. The whole get voted from the server community to show you actually help as well is something that makes viable sense. This is why I posted this and listening to the voices really help give a better insight. I want to thank all of the positive feedback.

The FFXI community for mentors was a great thing and I just wish we could try to get that over on XIV somehow.

[Keramory]

No in which you are correct, this is why I wanted to hear from other people on their aspects and I respect and agree with alot that has been said. Upping the requirements doesn't make sense more everyone's voices are addressed. However, I am more inclined to the idea of a flagging system in which was stated earlier to get the mentors that do not help at all removed. The whole get voted from the server community to show you actually help as well is something that makes viable sense. This is why I posted this and listening to the voices really help give a better insight. I want to thank all of the positive feedback.

The FFXI community for mentors was a great thing and I just wish we could try to get that over on XIV somehow.

The thing about the mentor system in FFXI was that there really wasn't a system in place. You simply toggled it as a mentor w.e you wanted and if someone messaged you, they messaged you. That was it. The only thing I'd suggest is to remove that and the group chat entirely, as many echoed already. You can have a list of mentors non-instanced to /tell message who want to be messaged and keep it to that.

That way you don't need anything else. No need to remove people. There isn't prestige in having it. Only people who are subjecting themselves to advice are going to be messaged. There isn't a "stage" like a group chat for people to sit there and be jerks for "lulz" from others.

I think the biggest thing Yoshi's team made a mistake in believing rewarding players with mentoring will incentivize people into doing it. FFXI created much stronger bonds through shared suffering lol. Pretty dark when you think about it but that was really the big difference between the two.