Mentor Requirements

[Jeeqbit]

True mentors dont have a crown. Mentors must explain everything in raids, trials and dg.

Mentors don't need to be a tutorial that explains every mechanic and turn in a dungeon, they should just help people when they are actually having trouble.

Some new players want blind runs, so I respect that and assume that if they wanted to know the mechanics in advance then they would have watched a video. If a mechanic really isn't obvious, gives them trouble or prevents them beating it then I explain it, but most of them don't need explaining.

[Lanadra]

True mentors dont have a crown. Mentors must explain everything in raids, trials and dg.

Go if you love teach, but forget about that icon and social status. if you dont behave as teacher, others may complain.

theres a lot of good players, experienced ones won can do everything mentor do, and not have that crown vanity.

I disagree. As others have stated, a mentor should not be a 'hold my hand through everything' kind of guide. They should help out when someone is actually having trouble with something either in a dungeon, with a quest or otherwise in the open world.. either coming to that players aid or explaining how they'd best go about it. Ideally you want the end result to be 'ohhhhh, so that's how it works, thanks mentor, I didn't know that.' and see them on their merry way.

[Themarvin]

The Mentor roulette Reward should have 3000 commendations as well bound to it, too many mentors just spam mentor roulette, and giving a damn about the group, other than their own ambition to eventually get a mount, make it backwards compatible, so those who already did x amount of mentor roulettes or enough, will not be able to summon that mount, before reaching the criteria.

As for Trade mentor, even 3000 collectables would be an easy task, as it can be done on auto pilot, make it so you can't macro any collectable solution and it has to be done by hand.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

The Mentor roulette Reward should have 3000 commendations as well bound to it, too many mentors just spam mentor roulette, and giving a damn about the group, other than their own ambition to eventually get a mount, make it backwards compatible, so those who already did x amount of mentor roulettes or enough, will not be able to summon that mount, before reaching the criteria.

As for Trade mentor, even 3000 collectables would be an easy task, as it can be done on auto pilot, make it so you can't macro any collectable solution and it has to be done by hand.

As someone who has the Astrope mount. If we already earned it and earned it fairly and decided to give up mentoring in general, how is that fair to us? We put in our hours and did the leg work. Why have it to where it’s turned off completely?

[Kaurhz]

The Mentor roulette Reward should have 3000 commendations as well bound to it, too many mentors just spam mentor roulette, and giving a damn about the group, other than their own ambition to eventually get a mount, make it backwards compatible, so those who already did x amount of mentor roulettes or enough, will not be able to summon that mount, before reaching the criteria.

As for Trade mentor, even 3000 collectables would be an easy task, as it can be done on auto pilot, make it so you can't macro any collectable solution and it has to be done by hand.

No thanks.

A lot of people grind scrips for materia and I'm not entirely sure just how well you understand how painful making thousands of scrip/collectible turn-ins is. All disabling macro usage for collectibles accomplishes is unnecessary tedium which doesn't really accomplish anything at all.

[Themarvin]

No thanks.

A lot of people grind scrips for materia and I'm not entirely sure just how well you understand how painful making thousands of scrip/collectible turn-ins is.

I did the amount needed by hand back then, it didn't take long, if 10x more times by hand, it would feel like reached a point, if I need additional scrips currently, I just craft or gather it out by hand depending on which type I am looking for, it is a bit tame that you got a couple of class types, that can be done all by auto.

[Kaurhz]

I did the amount needed by hand back then, it didn't take long, if 10x more times by hand, it would feel like reached a point, if I need additional scrips currently, I just craft or gather it out by hand depending on which type I am looking for, it is a bit tame that you got a couple of class types, that can be done all by auto.

Yes, and the point being it adds nothing of any reasonable value to both the experience of the player, and what would be the expected competencies of a mentor for crafters/gatherers. Whether you do them by hand, or whether you do them by the macro is almost entirely irrelevant because they are significantly under tuned recipes that don't teach anything, not to mention the simple fact of the matter if you want to establish some level of standards then there are far more productive ways of accomplishing the goal.

Inflating the number, be it from 1000 to 2000, to 3000, to 4000, or whatever arbitrary number you want to attach, all you accomplish is unnecessary tedium. Doesn't really make anyone a better mentor, versus making them branch out, but even then this is limited. Though if I were to be frank crafting/gathering mentors shouldn't even exist.

[Themarvin]

Yes, and the point being it adds nothing of any reasonable value to both the experience of the player, and what would be the expected competencies of a mentor for crafters/gatherers. Whether you do them by hand, or whether you do them by the macro is almost entirely irrelevant because they are significantly under tuned recipes that don't teach anything, not to mention the simple fact of the matter if you want to establish some level of standards then there are far more productive ways of accomplishing the goal.

Inflating the number, be it from 1000 to 2000, to 3000, to 4000, or whatever arbitrary number you want to attach, all you accomplish is unnecessary tedium. Doesn't really make anyone a better mentor, versus making them branch out, but even then this is limited. Though if I were to be frank crafting/gathering mentors shouldn't even exist.

How will you keep bad people out of novice network, that just did it, to be able to stay in novice network then or for some kind of status symbol?

It needs to be as hard to obtain as PvE variant is... as in right now you can just do it blindfolded with little to no effort at all.

[LianaThorne]

I did the amount needed by hand back then, it didn't take long, if 10x more times by hand, it would feel like reached a point, if I need additional scrips currently, I just craft or gather it out by hand depending on which type I am looking for, it is a bit tame that you got a couple of class types, that can be done all by auto.

Here's the thing and feel free to take it however you want: Just because you did something one way doesn't mean everyone should be forced to do it that way. I also did my requirements by hand back when I got my Trade Mentor crown but I'm also someone who uses macros now because I'm lazy and after torturing myself through the Saint of the Firmament Expert grind, I refuse to do it solely by hand anymore lol. Either way, whether or not someone uses a macro or is irrelevant and has no bearing on whether or not they're fit to be a trade mentor. Just because I use macros doesn't mean I can't also explain how crafting or gathering works to a member of my FC. If you want to do it 100% manually that's your right to do so, but it doesn't make it better or worse than any other method out there and ultimately won't fix the issue you're trying to solve. The issue is how some members of NN treat sprouts or other mentors. Raising requirements won't weed out people with those personality traits. Will it weed out lazy people potentially? Sure, but dedicated people can still have those personality traits that you're trying to avoid.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Honestly to me, this is turning into ‘players personality & behavior policing’ discussion.

I’d rather they abolish the mentor system and move the incentive attached to it elsewhere while not denying whoever had already claimed it at this point. Any players can help, just as any players can be disruptive. Not just mentors & trolls.