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    Player Fourbestintoner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    thats between the person who reported and the GM to decide. if thats the risk you wanna take with pugs you don't know, be my guest. but "no profanity" tends to include general swearing.
    Profanity isn't even in the TOS, only harassment, nuisance behaviour, offensive expressions(to another person) and obstruction of play.
    Profanity bans are all *bullshit* and should be cancelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner View Post
    Profanity isn't even in the TOS, only harassment, nuisance behaviour, offensive expressions(to another person) and obstruction of play.
    Profanity bans are all *bullshit* and should be cancelled.
    Actually, "Other expressions that are offensive to another person" could apply to profanity. Certain parts of the list are non-specific to allow flexibility when dealing with reports. As well, some profanity can qualify as "Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat" depending on the usage. There's plenty of additional details listed in the article about prohibited behaviour. Make sure to read it all if you're unsure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Actually, "Other expressions that are offensive to another person" could apply to profanity. Certain parts of the list are non-specific to allow flexibility when dealing with reports. As well, some profanity can qualify as "Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat" depending on the usage. There's plenty of additional details listed in the article about prohibited behaviour. Make sure to read it all if you're unsure.
    It is so broad there is actually no way to actually not violate it. If someone finds it offensive, its offensive. Rules should never be made on such subjective things
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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothv13 View Post
    It is so broad there is actually no way to actually not violate it. If someone finds it offensive, its offensive. Rules should never be made on such subjective things
    Except the GM must also find it offensive. So if they do, you're busted. Thems the rules. It's not law, it's what you agree to when you sign up for the game. It doesn't even have to be fair. It's their rules. If you don't like it, go play something else. That's all you can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Except the GM must also find it offensive. So if they do, you're busted. Thems the rules. It's not law, it's what you agree to when you sign up for the game. It doesn't even have to be fair. It's their rules. If you don't like it, go play something else. That's all you can do.
    It is still subjective. I mentioned nothing about law, simply rules. Subjective rules do nothing to help correct actions (particularly when they don't tell you want you did to violate said rules) and only open the door to abusing said rules.
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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothv13 View Post
    It is still subjective. I mentioned nothing about law, simply rules. Subjective rules do nothing to help correct actions (particularly when they don't tell you want you did to violate said rules) and only open the door to abusing said rules.
    Do you really need someone hovering over your shoulder, telling you what is and is not okay to say? If you can only avoid breaking the rules by having someone proofread what you're saying, you really need to take a step back and learn how to be more mindful.

    I feel like people who need the rules clearly defined for them just want to be an ass while avoiding the ban hammer. Can't you just be civil with people? Is that too much to ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Do you really need someone hovering over your shoulder, telling you what is and is not okay to say? If you can only avoid breaking the rules by having someone proofread what you're saying, you really need to take a step back and learn how to be more mindful.

    I feel like people who need the rules clearly defined for them just want to be an ass while avoiding the ban hammer. Can't you just be civil with people? Is that too much to ask?
    No but when I make a mistake I like to be informed of what the mistake was so I can correct it. Just being told I made a mistake, does nothing to help me correct it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner View Post
    Profanity isn't even in the TOS, only harassment, nuisance behaviour, offensive expressions(to another person) and obstruction of play.
    Profanity bans are all *bullshit* and should be cancelled.
    I must be imagining that big header that says "3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language" then, huh?
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    Player Fourbestintoner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    I must be imagining that big header that says "3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language" then, huh?
    >You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive
    Stop being unreasonable finding random swears offensive?
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    Last edited by Fourbestintoner; 02-23-2021 at 04:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner View Post
    Stop being unreasonable finding random swears offensive?
    I mean I don't wanna be that guy n'd all, but that clearly says "profanity or"

    meaning it's either "profanity" or "reasonably offensive language"

    meaning profanity is singled out here
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