Mordion Gaol is a bad system

[Ammokkx]

y'all ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"?

because this whole attitude of "You know what you did wrong, you rulebreaker." when the OP is stating multiple times they have no clue what got them reported in the first place is really not helping the situation any.

Personally speaking I've only ever gotten banned, once, here on the forum, and you know what the mods did? Give me the posts I got banned for. When I read them I went "...yeah, fair." and didn't question it further. Haven't eaten one from that point, and I've certainly not been put in jail for my entire time playing.

I get that it's to prevent witch hunting, but I think that's a poor reason. You can't expect someone to better their behaviour if they don't even know what they've done wrong. OP is clearly very involved in both the game and the forums, and by his own account this is his one ban in 6 years. You're all acting as if this is some new account with a history of bans on his name. Do you really expect someone who's been playing 6 years without incident doing nothing different from the usual to know what he's done wrong at some point?

Y'all need to chill out on the outrage sometimes.

EDIT; and before anyone points out OP's melodramatic tone and wording, using terms like "unethical" and "traumatizing" even as soon as the first post... don't worry, I read those too. Still think the reaction is a mite overblown.

[XenoSamurai]

y'all ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"?

because this whole attitude of "You know what you did wrong, you rulebreaker." when the OP is stating multiple times they have no clue what got them reported in the first place is really not helping the situation any.

Personally speaking I've only ever gotten banned, once, here on the forum, and you know what the mods did? Give me the posts I got banned for. When I read them I went "...yeah, fair." and didn't question it further. Haven't eaten one from that point, and I've certainly not been put in jail for my entire time playing.

I get that it's to prevent witch hunting, but I think that's a poor reason. You can't expect someone to better their behaviour if they don't even know what they've done wrong. OP is clearly very involved in both the game and the forums, and by his own account this is his one ban in 6 years. You're all acting as if this is some new account with a history of bans on his name. Do you really expect someone who's been playing 6 years without incident doing nothing different from the usual to know what he's done wrong at some point?

Y'all need to chill out on the outrage sometimes.

EDIT; and before anyone points out OP's melodramatic tone and wording, using terms like "unethical" and "traumatizing" even as soon as the first post... don't worry, I read those too. Still think the reaction is a mite overblown.

Well I mean he was proven guilty by the gm, the gm looked at what he did and decided he needed to be punished for it. He needs to move on and be glad he didn't get banned, even if he doesn't know what he did wrong. He said he hasn't gotten in trouble in 6 years of playing so it unlikely to happen again.

[Ammokkx]

Well I mean he was proven guilty by the gm, the gm looked at what he did and decided he needed to be punished for it. He needs to move on and be glad he didn't get banned, even if he doesn't know what he did wrong. He said he hasn't gotten in trouble in 6 years of playing so it unlikely to happen again.

I ain't saying that the GM's decision is a bad one. I don't know the context of his ban.

What I'm against is the incessant witch hunting happening in this thread for a guy daring to critique a system he felt was unfair, and which I honestly can't say he lacks a point in. Having to wait in-game with no way to know when someone will check your ticket, instead of, say, a casual e-mail chain, and then not even getting a "okay so you called someone a dipsauce" for your troubles... eeeh, I can't say that's a good way to handle bans my hombre.

Just because a streamer abused his platform for a witch hunt doesn't mean SE should go full witness protection on our asses. If anything, the only thing this proves is that the streamer should be barred from ever playing the game again.

The system is flawed and bad. At its current stage of implementation, it's more worthwhile to ban the account outright and send them an e-mail because it achieves essentially the same goal.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I ain't saying that the GM's decision is a bad one. I don't know the context of his ban.

What I'm against is the incessant witch hunting happening in this thread for a guy daring to critique a system he felt was unfair, and which I honestly can't say he lacks a point in. Having to wait in-game with no way to know when someone will check your ticket, instead of, say, a casual e-mail chain, and then not even getting a "okay so you called someone a dipsauce" for your troubles... eeeh, I can't say that's a good way to handle bans my hombre.

Just because a streamer abused his platform for a witch hunt doesn't mean SE should go full witness protection on our asses. If anything, the only thing this proves is that the streamer should be barred from ever playing the game again.

The system is flawed and bad. At its current stage of implementation, it's more worthwhile to ban the account outright and send them an e-mail because it achieves essentially the same goal.

Well, this way, he doesn't get a temp ban. Otherwise, instead of gaol until he talks to GM, its a 3 day temp ban. Not sure how thats better.

[Ammokkx]

Well, this way, he doesn't get a temp ban. Otherwise, instead of gaol until he talks to GM, its a 3 day temp ban. Not sure how thats better.

All I'm saying is what I'd prefer. With a temp ban you know how long your out- the gaol though? Wait and pray. Not my cup of tea.

EDIT: Also on top of the fact you'll still walk out not really knowing what to fix in your behaviour going forward. Let's not forget that part.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

All I'm saying is what I'd prefer. With a temp ban you know how long your out- the gaol though? Wait and pray. Not my cup of tea.

EDIT: Also on top of the fact you'll still walk out not really knowing what to fix in your behaviour going forward. Let's not forget that part.

Don't swear at people, harass them, or hold runs hostage because things arent going your way?

Its not hard to not get in trouble.

[Ammokkx]

Don't swear at people, harass them, or hold runs hostage because things arent going your way?

Its not hard to not get in trouble.

Mate. I don't get in trouble. The OP hadn't either for the longest time. It looked like a freak accident.

So imagine their shock and surprise when they have gotten in trouble, with no indication of what that was other than a vague "you were rude to someone"

I don't condone harassment, and I hope no sane person does either. However, when you punish a small child, you don't just go tell them to "stand in a corner, you know what you did" because that doesn't help the small child to understand what he has done wrong. Telling someone 'you know what you did' can be true in some or most cases. But it's not all cases. And, when you don't tell people how they can improve, you're liable to have them repeat their behaviour instead of avoid it.

I'd like to root out toxicity. You start that by educating people, not by tearing them down. If someone is pointed to a bad thing, says "okay I'll do better" and then repeat their behaviour, they are either unable or unwilling to actually improve. When you don't point them to it, even if they're willing to improve, they might find themselves unable to because they can't recall what they have done wrong... and then, in future, if they repeat their behaviour and get banned for it while still not knowing, I can't exactly tell you the system is working as intended.

Rehabilitation and redemption are concepts that exist, and I prefer them over wild lynching.

[Mavrias]

y'all ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"?.

thats an "American law" thing not a "video game whose ToS says they can ban you for any reason or no reason at all and you agreed to that when you signed up to make an account" thing.

[Ammokkx]

thats an "American law" thing not a "video game whose ToS says they can ban you for any reason or no reason at all and you agreed to that when you signed up to make an account" thing.

Not only is it a concept hardly exclusive to specifically American law, as I am not an American and enjoy that little right, but the point isn't to literally make this into a court trial. It's about the attitude. The mentality behind it. I don't say "innocent until proven guilty" because the OP is an assumed criminal going into presumed jail (though let me tell you, people do often assume guilt of even real-life criminals), no, I say it because by refusing to even hear the guy out you essentially transform his earnest attempt to both be a better person and to give feedback to SE into a personal attack against his character.

Listen, I'm aware the OP has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth, but I can't really see any deliberate malicious intent going on here. The dude's just kinda clumsy with words and has a few misguided views; hardly a reason to organise a shame parade, you dig?

[Mavrias]

Not only is it a concept hardly exclusive to specifically American law, as I am not an American and enjoy that little right, but the point isn't to literally make this into a court trial. It's about the attitude. The mentality behind it. I don't say "innocent until proven guilty" because the OP is an assumed criminal going into presumed jail (though let me tell you, people do often assume guilt of even real-life criminals), no, I say it because by refusing to even hear the guy out you essentially transform his earnest attempt to both be a better person and to give feedback to SE into a personal attack against his character.

Listen, I'm aware the OP has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth, but I can't really see any deliberate malicious intent going on here. The dude's just kinda clumsy with words and has a few misguided views; hardly a reason to organise a shame parade, you dig?

I'm not really interested in the shame parade either (although his comments about cancel culture and the Twitter example he gave make me suspicious). but I'm also not interested in defending him against SE because they've made their position on the matter clear: they will not tell you what specifically you said, because then you could track down who reported you.

although I will drop the tip that if you find yourself waiting in the gaol again, simply send in a report for harassment that says "hey, I'm in the gaol," and a GM should get to you faster.