FF14 devs just keep doing your thing because my god

[Liam_Harper]

How ill do you have to be to sit down and watch the entirety of Blizzcon just for more circlejerk material?

A lot of the WoW hate is just resentment. For many people, WoW used to be a brilliant game. I personally enjoyed it and spend countless hours there which I don't regret. However over time they removed or ruined a significant number of things that people liked, to the point that millions who enjoyed the game finally had enough and had to move elsewhere.

People are just angry at the devs for wrecking something they loved. That's why they take satisfaction at seeing Blizzard struggle, wish for them to do badly or ramble on about how FF14 is superior. Secretly I imagine a good number of players would actually prefer to be playing WoW right now, just a version where all the old things they enjoyed and praised the game for still existed and were built on. Classic barely scratched that itch, as good as it might be, it's outdated content that's been seen and done and new story, zones, classes, ect keep things exciting. I love FF14 but in all honesty if WoW was as good as it has been in the past, I wouldn't be here.

The anger mindset is very unhealthy though. It's that abusive relationship syndrome, where even after you've moved past it, you cling to that resentment. WoW isn't going to die or the devs "learn their lesson" anytime soon, nor is it likely to improve when the old team is long gone. They'll probably have millions of subscribers for years to come. It's just how it is. Best to just look back at the good times and memories and look forward to more to come in FF14 or other MMO's.

[Vahlnir]

The anger mindset is very unhealthy though. It's that abusive relationship syndrome, where even after you've moved past it, you cling to that resentment. WoW isn't going to die or the devs "learn their lesson" anytime soon, nor is it likely to improve when the old team is long gone. They'll probably have millions of subscribers for years to come. It's just how it is. Best to just look back at the good times and memories and look forward to more to come in FF14 or other MMO's.

Yeah, I guess this is me to be honest. I look back at the time I've spent fondly, but I'm going to remain very salty for awhile after everything they've done to it. I don't really talk about it much on the forums or in game, but if the subject is brought up...well, I can't help myself.

[Penthea]

Seriously why do you stick around here, you are beyond negative on literally everything this game does. This game likes to cater towards everyone, which you seem to have a fit over.

The only way they can feel good about themselves is to let everyone know that they enjoy high end content. As if it's somehow special.

And that sort of attitude is among the list of things that made me leave WoW. Lots of lovely people there but too many divas who are more interested in looking good than anything else. I rarely have to deal with them in FFXIV by comparison and that's nice.

A lot of the WoW hate is just resentment. For many people, WoW used to be a brilliant game.

I was resentful for a long time as it became obvious that Blizzard are riding on the prestige of WoW instead of maintaining the standard that gave them that prestige in the first place.

Now I'm just disappointed. I quit at the end of WoD and when I came back recently I was so sad to see that the design philosophy had not changed. There are new things but for me these were merely new things to be frustrated about. Not everything is terrible, it's that not enough is great. They have the means to make things so much better but those with decision making power are too disconnected from the end-user experience to do that, and they seem to show little interest in becoming more connected.

FFXIV is by no means perfect but at least for me the list of my problems with that game are significantly shorter than WoW, even when compared to the time when I adored WoW.

If other people enjoy WoW more good for them, but it stopped being the game for me a long time ago.

[Ralph2449]

The only way they can feel good about themselves is to let everyone know that they enjoy high end content. As if it's somehow special.

And that sort of attitude is among the list of things that made me leave WoW. Lots of lovely people there but too many divas who are more interested in looking good than anything else. I rarely have to deal with them in FFXIV by comparison and that's nice.

And as a person who has played WoW for many years I can confirm this attitude has only gotten worse, actually has become way worse in the latest expansion because it has become crystal clear that they removed all rewards from casual content so their elite high end tryhard class doesnt feel "forced" to actually play the rest of the game.

When the devs repeatedly focus on high end content and try to push it down everyone's throat because it is the only play to get gear progression/actually cool rewards it attracts more and more unhealthy gamers who like telling themselves they are some great person for beating scripted content with a group of 19 similar people whose self worth depends on the ingame prestige blizzard gives to high end players. (Which is ironic due to how badly balanced the game is, if you put 20 people who play fotm to beat most mythic bosses the challenge becomes a cakewalk which is why you see world first raid bosses dropping down like flies bar the last 2-3, the skill required to beat with a more balanced and fun comb is far higher but these people dont care about challenge, they care about beating a boss for prestige because their ego depends on it which is why you see them obsess over fotm/stacking broken specs and classes and metaslaving like crazy)

Not only that but because they refuse to balance their game frequently, said players know that they will get away by rerolling to most broken fotm meta class/covenant/legendary/build since blizzard wont nerf it for months which makes these people try to push their metaslave mentality on everyone else and we are talking "everyone else", not only on high end (Mythic guild players are expected to metaslave) which has lead to a community that whines about what other people play in group content.

Wow is for boomers

Considering the average age of WoW players this wouldnt be so innacurate xD

Some people have sadly been addicted heavily because of the manipulative design of non stop exclusive/time limited rewards and removed content, they ve been taught that if they ever miss a patch or xpac they will forever lose all those rewards that make you feel special, and sadly many WoW players have their self esteem connected to said rewards which is why you see a huge outburst every a new player asks to bring back some previous time limited/exclusive appearance simply because they like the appearance.

They are an extremely unhealthy community.

[ReynTime]

When the devs repeatedly focus on high end content and try to push it down everyone's throat because it is the only play to get gear progression/actually cool rewards it attracts more and more unhealthy gamers who like telling themselves they are some great person for beating scripted content with a group of 19 similar people whose self worth depends on the ingame prestige blizzard gives to high end players. (Which is ironic due to how badly balanced the game is, if you put 20 people who play fotm to beat most mythic bosses the challenge becomes a cakewalk which is why you see world first raid bosses dropping down like flies bar the last 2-3, the skill required to beat with a more balanced and fun comb is far higher but these people dont care about challenge, they care about beating a boss for prestige because their ego depends on it which is why you see them obsess over fotm/stacking broken specs and classes and metaslaving like crazy)

How is FFXIV any different? Lv1~79 content outside MSQ is only done if you happen to want very specific glamour, need exp to level up, or want more story, which leads into even in XIV people claiming "only endgame matters so just focus on finishing MSQ now". And the same players who complain here about "elitism" are the ones who complain if their "main job" isn't on high demand for said high-end content that supposedly shouldn't be the focus, and that they don't do. The homogenization of jobs is a direct result of focusing on high-end pve compositions. Throwing theme-park attractions outside PvE doesn't change that.

[KaijinRhada]

A lot of the WoW hate is just resentment. For many people, WoW used to be a brilliant game. I personally enjoyed it and spend countless hours there which I don't regret. However over time they removed or ruined a significant number of things that people liked, to the point that millions who enjoyed the game finally had enough and had to move elsewhere.

People are just angry at the devs for wrecking something they loved. That's why they take satisfaction at seeing Blizzard struggle, wish for them to do badly or ramble on about how FF14 is superior. Secretly I imagine a good number of players would actually prefer to be playing WoW right now, just a version where all the old things they enjoyed and praised the game for still existed and were built on. Classic barely scratched that itch, as good as it might be, it's outdated content that's been seen and done and new story, zones, classes, ect keep things exciting. I love FF14 but in all honesty if WoW was as good as it has been in the past, I wouldn't be here.

The anger mindset is very unhealthy though. It's that abusive relationship syndrome, where even after you've moved past it, you cling to that resentment. WoW isn't going to die or the devs "learn their lesson" anytime soon, nor is it likely to improve when the old team is long gone. They'll probably have millions of subscribers for years to come. It's just how it is. Best to just look back at the good times and memories and look forward to more to come in FF14 or other MMO's.

This is generally my feeling, and it's true. People will sour to things that they feel have wronged them and I have seen and experienced a level of schadenfreude directed at Blizzard (particularly when it comes to quality assurance, which sometimes >>feels<< completely absent from WoW). Overtime though, I let it go. I understand that devs aren't static, people retire or move on, and from there an enduring franchise will continue and evolve. But just as it changes, a player's interest will change with it. For me, personally, my interests no longer align enough with what WoW is continuing with to keep being subbed.

I still keep up with WoW news to see if there's anything to look forward to enough for me to return. Since BfA there hasn't been. I had in the past unsubbed between expansions from burnout, but the big tipping point for me was the continuation of Titanforging and the return of ham-fisted faction conflict as the main plot driver. On the side of gearing, I was generally pretty lucky, but I still didn't like Titanforging as a concept. For story, the cold war style faction conflict in vanilla and it being an undercurrent in WotLK was fine, but I didn't fancy it in MoP and BfA seemed forced. The way it got narratively pushed in BfA with weird characterizations of different notable NPCs, and a strange plot retread that made it feel like MoP 2 Electric Boogaloo, on top of the recurring burnout on the established systems made it an easy pass for me.

SL seemed like things have since improved, but it didn't spark any interest in me. Continued issues regarding class balance and responses to reported bugs/concerns on PTR and beta are relatively the same as I have experienced before, which is to say not fantastic. Story beats were, well, WoW was never going to win accolades on narrative anyway. Ironically, my mainspec was doing quite well (though my off-spec appears to be doing mediocre at best), but raiding itself isn't enough justification for me to return. For now, I'll continue to reminisce about the bygone days of my WoW career, and keep being entertained by the likes of Rextroy.