FF14 devs just keep doing your thing because my god

[EtherRose]

What are you talking about? Surely WoW Classic will keep them afloat. Sarcasm aside they will keep doing it as long as you have stupid people like Asmongold who will keep bending over for them.

[Puremallace]

What are you talking about? Surely WoW Classic will keep them afloat. Sarcasm aside they will keep doing it as long as you have stupid people like Asmongold who will keep bending over for them.

Asmongold actually quit streaming recently due to stress. Blizzard treated that guy like crap and missed gold opportunities to hold community events with him to a massive audience.

[Payadopa]

I've always thought FFXIV was the best among all it's competitors currently. It's why I'm here (since HW). I was talking about this yesterday I think, WoW never pulled me in. This game did. I might criticize this game a lot, but I do so because I think SE could do better. I'd rather see this game thrive, and get better and better. Now, people may not agree with my opinions, but they aren't coming from a place of hate. I wouldn't spend so much money, or put so many hours into this game, if I didn't like like it.

I completely agree with that. To put things into perspective, I tried WoW three times over a couple of years and always left after like a week because I was severely bored. Not my focus. I didn't see any story and the quests felt anaemic. With Guild Wars 2 I stuck like 2 years, but I've been playing XIV since 1.0 closed alpha so SE must be doing something right. lol

[SturmChurro]

I completely agree with that. To put things into perspective, I tried WoW three times over a couple of years and always left after like a week because I was severely bored. Not my focus. I didn't see any story and the quests felt anaemic. With Guild Wars 2 I stuck like 2 years, but I've been playing XIV since 1.0 closed alpha so SE must be doing something right. lol

Sounds exactly like me! I gave it a week (actually probably less). I didn't like it. I also didn't have that nostalgia of playing it since my childhood like many have. I went in both FFXIV, and WoW without any true bias. Well, I shouldn't say that, I played FFXIV before I played WoW. FFXIV simply was, and is, the better game.

As for story in WoW, I honestly can't tell you what was even happening. It felt.. disjointed. I had pretty much no clue what was going on, the few dungeons I did do, I again had no clue what was going on - also they sucked, they weren't fun. There was no real sense of an overarching plot, while leveling. It's probably why most of my time was spent in lowbie PvP queue. There was no real sense of direction, not only was I overwhelmed, I was bored.

FFXIV does it all for me - EXCEPT PvP. I like the story, characters, villains, the game play, glamour, and the list goes on.. Despite many of my arguments on these forums, I actually personally liked ARR - this was before the cuts. Maybe, it's because I have never really done high end PvE (in any game), that a lot of what all's going on there, that it doesn't effect my personal opinion on the game. If I had my way, and SE acutally put some time and effort making PvP fun, I would sit all day and just queue for PvP, and glamour!

I should say, I'd love to do open world PvP. When available in EVERY single mmorpg I've tried, I always play on PvP servers, but apparently nobody does that anymore. People can say what they want about PvErs, but PvPers are the REAL dying breed, and are the ones who MOST get left behind!

[SavishSalacious]

Wow is for boomers, FF 14 is the new way to go!

[Tlachtga]

wow bad, xiv gud

gib likes pls

[Puremallace]

wow bad, xiv gud

gib likes pls

Yeah FF14 really is better because yet again a game director who focused on systems over content is forced to devote an entire companies resources and months to fixing systems he said had no problem and players were just overreacting too.

You better believe I am DELIGHTED FF14 devs look at that stuff with confusion on why you would try to reinvent something that just works. I never see FF14 making just arbitrary decisions with time gating on core content in FF14, I do not have to worry in Endwalker all of sudden having new borrowed powers or some utter insanity change when it comes to gear acquisition.

I never have to worry in FF14 that my professions are useful and now in the next expansion they are completely pointless. I CAN INVEST TIME knowing that my work will have a long term benefit. Wow what a concept I invest my time into a character and they do not pull the rug out from under me because the game director forgot to take his bipolar meds.

There is no dev post that FF14 devs make where as a long term WoW player the thought goes through my head of how Blizzard would have responded to a similar situation with some lawyered up answer and making fun of the people posting serious issues with a system.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

I never understood the little brother syndrome with XIV. Both are different games, that cater to different taste. Enjoy one without dunking on the other.

[Vahlnir]

I never understood the little brother syndrome with XIV. Both are different games, that cater to different taste. Enjoy one without dunking on the other.

That is normally what I would say prior to Shadowlands, but I've been...disenchanted to say the very least. Like I said earlier, I'm very salty. lol You make a very good point though and normally I'd 100% agree with you. Times have changed, however.

[Penthea]

I never understood the little brother syndrome with XIV. Both are different games, that cater to different taste. Enjoy one without dunking on the other.

The thing is I don't think WoW even caters to its own audience particularly well anymore. There is a reason why current and past WoW players are known for often being very bitter. They love what the game was and should be, and Blizzard deliver enough of what it should be to keep people hanging on, but not enough for them to be truly happy. It took me many years to quit because I was clinging to nostalgia and unfulfilled promises. It wasn't until I found FFXIV that I was able to let go. FFXIV is far from perfect, but the devs do a better job of catering to their multifaceted audience.

It just makes me so sad. Even though I prefer FFXIV I have no desire to watch WoW die. I loved that game for a reason and I'm so disappointed that newer and current players don't get to experience those reasons.

And no classic is not a way to truly experience the reasons why WoW was so great because you can't have an authentic classic experience when a huge majority of the players have a completely different mindset to over a decade ago. You can experience something for the first time only once, so the days of true classic WoW are long gone.

It also feels like, for me at least, that releasing classic was a cop out. Classic servers rose in popularity as the public opinion of retail continued to fall. That's not a coincidence. Had WoW continued to maintain the standard that gave them the crown, there wouldn't have been as much demand for classic. Instead of working hard to make players want to play retail far more, they released classic to inflate sub numbers.