LET PEOPLE CHANGE CLASS AT THE START OF DELUBRUM

[Alleo]

At least with DR you can access your storage box to get your actions.
You don't need to worry about role restrictions.

If you haven't stocked up on various actions to help you cover roles, well you have other tasks than going into DR then.

I am quite sure that people would be happy to have to rng grind more in content that they might not like. Who knows how many only just want to get DR over with because they dont want to grind the relic in Bozja. Letting people change jobs at the beginning makes at least an easy solution.

[RyuDragnier]

I am quite sure that people would be happy to have to rng grind more in content that they might not like. Who knows how many only just want to get DR over with because they dont want to grind the relic in Bozja. Letting people change jobs at the beginning makes at least an easy solution.

If you wanted an easy solution, you wouldn't be in DR to begin with. PotD can give the relic item drops too, and it's far easier than DR.

[LaylaTsarra]

If you wanted an easy solution, you wouldn't be in DR to begin with. PotD can give the relic item drops too, and it's far easier than DR.

Those who didn't want to do in zone relic content got their wish although I'm personally thrilled they have to at least clear Castrum and Delubrum to move forward. I'm looking forward to the patch notes for this hot fix it'll be interesting to see exactly what they've done to Castrum and hopefully other content in zone as well.

[Alleo]

If you wanted an easy solution, you wouldn't be in DR to begin with. PotD can give the relic item drops too, and it's far easier than DR.

DR is still mandatory for the first run because of the story and I doubt that those who dont care about Bozja will have big amount of actions ready.

[TurtlesAWD]

DR is still mandatory for the first run because of the story and I doubt that those who dont care about Bozja will have big amount of actions ready.

It does require at least rank 10 and a run of castrum to unlock, and I don't think someone will have made it to rank 10 and through castrum with 0 fragments. The quests themselves award a few, as I recall. Granted they may have fragments that aren't exactly optimal for any particular kind of loadout but if these are players who don't really care about bozja or castrum we're talking about here, they can just use anything at all and it'll help. There isn't a particular need for them to be concerned with running out or using their good stuff before they need it because they're never going to need it later.

[RyuDragnier]

It does require at least rank 10 and a run of castrum to unlock, and I don't think someone will have made it to rank 10 and through castrum with 0 fragments. The quests themselves award a few, as I recall. Granted they may have fragments that aren't exactly optimal for any particular kind of loadout but if these are players who don't really care about bozja or castrum we're talking about here, they can just use anything at all and it'll help. There isn't a particular need for them to be concerned with running out or using their good stuff before they need it because they're never going to need it later.

This. Just putting on Lost Protect and Lost Shell (which are infinite use) and using them to buff allies is good enough, since that helps with damage taken in Delebrum.

[ItMe]

This. Just putting on Lost Protect and Lost Shell (which are infinite use) and using them to buff allies is good enough, since that helps with damage taken in Delebrum.

I have lost shell on my bars 100% of the time, and it's almost never useful because so many bring lost protect/shell.
When I que in and see half of the team is already getting it applied it feels like I might as well have a dead slot.
Especially in the new raids with their 2 hit death thing.

[SturmChurro]

It does require at least rank 10 and a run of castrum to unlock, and I don't think someone will have made it to rank 10 and through castrum with 0 fragments. The quests themselves award a few, as I recall. Granted they may have fragments that aren't exactly optimal for any particular kind of loadout but if these are players who don't really care about bozja or castrum we're talking about here, they can just use anything at all and it'll help. There isn't a particular need for them to be concerned with running out or using their good stuff before they need it because they're never going to need it later.

A person who is doing Bozja just to do the relic; as a means to an end, probably isn't going to have very many useful essences. Not to mention the fact that if they are doing DR for relic farming, it won't take that many runs to completely run out of the essences people would want - DPS. They would need to go out of their way to farm or buy them off the marketboard to top themselves off each time.

I'll post this quote again, because I think this person explained it perfectly:

..Delubrum simply doesn't encourage that mentality. In fact, it arguably does the opposite. While the devs want players to experiment with lost actions, you're rewarded with practically none upon completing Delubrum itself. This pushes people to go out of their way to farm potential actions for no real benefit, or worse. It just wastes time... What makes this design worse is the relic forces you out of Bozja, thus eliminating a passive way of collecting fragments. Instead of having us spam CT for the hundredth billionth time, they could have us farm rank 3, 4, 5, S mobs.

Simply put, the cost outweighs the needed commitment. If people see Delubrum can be cleared without much or any Lost Actions, they aren't going to experiment and potentially waste actions they'll then have to spend time farming—especially if their only motivation is progressing their relic. By the time they reach Delubrum, it's more of a "I want this grind to be over with" then "Hmm, might be fun to try this out."

The devs did a horrendous job with the relic this expansion. Delubrum's lackluster rewards is one such problem.

(I made some minor cuts to it "..." to keep it relevant to this)

[Alleo]

It does require at least rank 10 and a run of castrum to unlock, and I don't think someone will have made it to rank 10 and through castrum with 0 fragments. The quests themselves award a few, as I recall. Granted they may have fragments that aren't exactly optimal for any particular kind of loadout but if these are players who don't really care about bozja or castrum we're talking about here, they can just use anything at all and it'll help. There isn't a particular need for them to be concerned with running out or using their good stuff before they need it because they're never going to need it later.

Fragments that some might have already used on their way to unlock castrum. And it also still depends on RNG. Also what if they do use the good stuff in DR and its a failure run? Suddenly no actions for the next try.

And all of this ignores the good argument someone else already posted: If you queue as a DD you might simply not want to tank or heal. What if everyone is like that? Who will do it then?

Iscah also had a nice idea with giving certain builds that will already have these skills.

[RyuDragnier]

If you queue as a DD you might simply not want to tank or heal. What if everyone is like that? Who will do it then?

Somebody will, otherwise everybody in the run shares equal blame for being too lazy to actively try to succeed. You either use essences and lost skills to try to clear, or you leave because you didn't actually want to put in the effort for it, you just wanted a carry.