LET PEOPLE CHANGE CLASS AT THE START OF DELUBRUM

[Liam_Harper]

Say SE, if you impose something on us, do it well, please?

Yesterday at the Castrum: 70% Heal, 3 tanks and the rest in Dps.
I liked first boss's enrage very much.

Had a run yesterday with 5 heals and 2 tanks in our group. 4 of us went Profane, both tanks had Martialist and we had a smooth 22 minute run. If a run is taking too long it's not the devs fault, they've given us the tools.

For those who might not know you can simply leave Delubrum if there is no tank and requeue. There is no penalty for leaving like other duties and the requeue is very quick generally. I will not pop any essences unless I'm sure the duty group is viable.

Which is poor design. There needs to be at least an hour deserter penalty tbh.

[LaylaTsarra]

Had a run yesterday with 5 heals and 2 tanks in our group. 4 of us went Profane, both tanks had Martialist and we had a smooth 22 minute run. If a run is taking too long it's not the devs fault, they've given us the tools.



Which is poor design. There needs to be at least an hour deserter penalty tbh.

Not really but I will say that they should implement at least some role restrictions when people log so each party has a healer and a tank.

[Seraphor]

Not really but I will say that they should implement at least some role restrictions when people log so each party has a healer and a tank.

It may not be easy to specify it to this level, but I'd say you only really need to guarantee one tank for the entire instance.

The Lost Action and Essence system in Bozja and DR essentially breaks down the role system as it is. Tanks and DPS can Heal. Healers and DPS can Tank.
The tools to adopt any role as any other role are available.... but they're not guaranteed. That's the issues. Just as you can't guarantee a tank in every instance, you also can't guarantee there's a DPS with all the tools to become a tank either.
The chances are higher, quite high in fact, but never 100%.

Some of this is on the players. People can take up a tank role as a DPS if they wanted to, but they don't come forward, they don't want to put in the effort.
We have this new, different, alternative content that shakes up the meta (something people ask for all the time) but people don't engage with it.

I know why they don't engage with it. Because the tools to do so are consumables, and RPG players are naturally hoarders. And maybe they do need to do something to address this. Maybe guarantee some fragment drops of DR. It shouldn't be necessary, because you can just head back into Bozja and farm up ore fragments, but that's effort players don't want to do so it could help.

But just maybe, if you load into an instance without a Tank, you could perhaps take the initiative and ditch your Lost Protect or Lost Banish for a Lost Incense and a tank Essence. Instead of forcing 23 other players to leave and re-queue.

[Laphicet]

It may not be easy to specify it to this level, but I'd say you only really need to guarantee one tank for the entire instance.

Don't even need that, just use a healer with templar essence, plus the Lost Incense action and congratulations, you have a green tank with more self-sustain than any of the existing tanks, even WAR.

You can even do this with a shield+wand combo on WHM for the block memes, too.

[Brightamethyst]

Some of this is on the players. People can take up a tank role as a DPS if they wanted to, but they don't come forward, they don't want to put in the effort.
We have this new, different, alternative content that shakes up the meta (something people ask for all the time) but people don't engage with it.

It's on the game, not the players. DPS can heal, healers can tank! Yeah, but if I wanted to tank I would have signed up as a tank. If I queued as a healer, clearly tanking was not my goal. I don't mind tanking if need be, but if I have to I'd rather just switch to a tank job instead of using lost actions to fake it.

[Themarvin]

It's on the game, not the players. DPS can heal, healers can tank! Yeah, but if I wanted to tank I would have signed up as a tank. If I queued as a healer, clearly tanking was not my goal. I don't mind tanking if need be, but if I have to I'd rather just switch to a tank job instead of using lost actions to fake it.

It is on the game, if you want to play the game, play by the games rules, in this case group composition is not relevant, the skills and abilities you get with the system is relevant, this is optional content, not enforced, if don't like it, play something else inside FFXIV, also you can do POTD for the step which follows the exact same rules as Delubrum... once inside you can't change class, during progres you can't change class, it is the setting of the game as it is.

It is refreshing to play like this in a more full scale raid type... I have tanked/healed and DPS'ed it, its fun.

[Brightamethyst]

also you can do POTD for the step which follows the exact same rules as Delubrum... once inside you can't change class, during progres you can't change class, it is the setting of the game as it is.

That's... not even remotely the same thing. Deep Dungeons are designed around not needing a tank or healer in the first place, not around having to fake it as a different job. No one queues for HoH, sees four DPS, and says "well I guess the DRG is healing today."

[Themarvin]

That's... not even remotely the same thing. Deep Dungeons are designed around not needing a tank or healer in the first place, not around having to fake it as a different job. No one queues for HoH, sees four DPS, and says "well I guess the DRG is healing today."

Hence, you get the additional tools to become a tank, there is even a mimic skill, check what is needed to begin with, as freely can quit group and move to another and trade around that way, if you are so unfortunate that you run into a group that has neither or barely anything in all the groups.

The challenge in this mode is in that you have to use what you got, and dodge stuff for no penalty.

[ItMe]

It's on the game, not the players. DPS can heal, healers can tank! Yeah, but if I wanted to tank I would have signed up as a tank. If I queued as a healer, clearly tanking was not my goal. I don't mind tanking if need be, but if I have to I'd rather just switch to a tank job instead of using lost actions to fake it.

That's a good point.
If the actions are potent enough to turn SMN into a full healer, they can be extra potent in the hands of a full healer, not faking it with SMN.
Using them to round out a class, to give yourself a more versatile tool kit, is one thing.
But using them to pretend you qued as something else is... not ideal.

[TurtlesAWD]

And why do you need a healer anyway? Bring 30 potions, problem solved. And while you're at it bring 20 phoenix downs for the gamers who are saving them "for later" or whatever.