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  1. #1561
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You're expecting to much...even with the PS5 coming in and eventually PS4 support will get dropped, there is no way they are gonna overhaul the whole system.
    Im not even talking about money here, I mean from a technical standpoint. There is SO much that would have to be worked on that it would just make more sense to make a whole new game with better tech. FF: XIV still looks pretty darn good, could it be improved? OH, OF COURSE.
    But a literal overhaul just...doesn't sound likely.

    PSO2 has never been localized to the west, so thats part of its popularity that Westerners can finally play it.
    "There is SO much that would have to be worked on that it would just make more sense to make a whole new game with better tech." That's the point.

    FF14, much like PSO2, is too big of a fanbase to throw away or hope migrates to a new MMO. This is why many people saw what Sega are doing with PSO2:NG as an option for FF14 seeing as NG is basically "PSO3" in all but name. If they've BEEN struggling this much with the limitations they have then taking a NG approach to the future makes sense if they want to keep this game going for 10 more years. Even the devs have in recent years been very open about how the limitations of the game as is has been effecting them which is pretty damn strange for a dev to do.

    And part of why PSO2 is getting NG is because the devs know their game looked old/ outdated and wanted to make it meet current standards for it's Western release. That's what I mean by "Western push".

    At the end of the day we shall see. The Main take away though is that YP wants to drive this bus for another decade and I don't think they will allow fans of these genders to be left wanting for 10 more years.
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  2. #1562
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    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    "There is SO much that would have to be worked on that it would just make more sense to make a whole new game with better tech." That's the point.

    FF14, much like PSO2, is too big of a fanbase to throw away or hope migrates to a new MMO. This is why many people saw what Sega are doing with PSO2:NG as an option for FF14 seeing as NG is basically "PSO3" in all but name. If they've BEEN struggling this much with the limitations they have then taking a NG approach to the future makes sense if they want to keep this game going for 10 more years. Even the devs have in recent years been very open about how the limitations of the game as is has been effecting them which is pretty damn strange for a dev to do.

    And part of why PSO2 is getting NG is because the devs know their game looked old/ outdated and wanted to make it meet current standards for it's Western release. That's what I mean by "Western push".

    At the end of the day we shall see. The Main take away though is that YP wants to drive this bus for another decade and I don't think they will allow fans of these genders to be left wanting for 10 more years.
    Not 100% how the genders work into overhauling the game... Because it was explained that they just literally didnt have enough time and resources to make both genders, they did what they did to fulfill 2 requests under the gauge that this might be the last time they make new races because of the massive undertaking of both developing the races in general, and fitting the equipment to them.
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  3. #1563
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    Not gonna happen, should not happen. Ever hear of unique class identity? It’s like that, but with races.
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  4. #1564
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    Quote Originally Posted by t0rn View Post
    Not gonna happen, should not happen. Ever hear of unique class identity? It’s like that, but with races.
    how do you decide on which account to post? does it change daily? does it depend on the weather? or is it a mood thing? i mean you must be tired playing all these personas, but then again you‘re not really good at it
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  5. #1565
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Not 100% how the genders work into overhauling the game... Because it was explained that they just literally didnt have enough time and resources to make both genders, they did what they did to fulfill 2 requests under the gauge that this might be the last time they make new races because of the massive undertaking of both developing the races in general, and fitting the equipment to them.
    Pretty sure Yoshida said in previous interviews as previous posts on this thread he did another Race to take on the male sex. Previous games FF Tactics, FF12, not one Male Viera has ever been shown in the franchise, no idea what they even look like.
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  6. #1566
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't know about you, but this thread has been HILARIOUS recently. I haven't laughed this much for a while now.

    See, I always thought this game would last for awhile, rather than "wrap up" mode. Making a new MMO is very expensive, and this one is already very profitable, fairly popular and competitors like WoW are still going. I always hoped, and saw this game going forward for many years yet. Despite the negativity. This game will definitely need some huge overhauls though if they expect to go that full 10 years. Like some serious overhauls. They never ruled out male viera or female hrothgar, if they can do it, I expect they will probably do it.

    Sooner than later though, now I don't know about that one..
    I just use "sooner than later" as a phrase. I'd say ... at least sometime in the next 5 years if they're looking at pushing this game into the 20year mark. "Sometime in the next 5years" is when I thought a new FFMMO would happen anyway so if they're just gonna pull a PSO2:NG like move then I mentally just apply it to that.

    And I will say I've had a few chuckles these recent pages.
    I've played Femroe for most of my years of playing this game starting back in ARR. I think they're cool, but I KNOW they're not everyone's cup of tea and I KNOW that the devs tried to make them as attractive as they could with in the constraints of what a Roe male stands for.
    Roebros defining feature in this line up of races is their borderline grotesque exaggeration of masculine muscle and girth resulting in their hulk like build and proportions. The devs gave the females human like bodies unlike the gorilla like refrigerator build of the males but seem to have felt they had to give them a masculine build as that's legit the key trait of the males in their mind ... and without the key face traits of the males they would just look human so this all adds up to a masculine built female (with the biggest boobs and longest hairstyles to offset that) that very few want to play cause most people don't play females to look like men.

    They didn't succeed at it, but they did definitely try to make Femroe as attractive as they could within the confines of Roebro's clearly unattractive characteristics/defining features. Hrothgar's defining characteristic is being attractive furries with attractive bods, so I wasn't shocked at all to see the art with the females looking to have Highlander/Viera builds and pretty cat faces.
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  7. #1567
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    Pretty sure Yoshida said in previous interviews as previous posts on this thread he did another Race to take on the male sex. Previous games FF Tactics, FF12, not one Male Viera has ever been shown in the franchise, no idea what they even look like.
    You are quoting an old interview I think back in 2013. He said in a newer interview in 2019 the reason why they did what they did.
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  8. #1568
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    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    Hrothgar's defining characteristic is being attractive furries with attractive bods, so I wasn't shocked at all to see the art with the females looking to have Highlander/Viera builds and pretty cat faces.
    I'm hoping the "pretty cat faces" is them going a more Elder Scrolls Online type look with the female faces. It's possible to make an attractive lioness without making her look humanish. For example...look at Khamira from ESO.
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  9. #1569
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm hoping the "pretty cat faces" is them going a more Elder Scrolls Online type look with the female faces. It's possible to make an attractive lioness without making her look humanish. For example...look at Khamira from ESO.
    Preach Brotha
    We won't get the dynamic slider in ESO, but I still hope we get a decent range of options: Lioness, Cheetah, Housecat, maybe a Lynx or Caracal, with various Rounded and Angular face options.
    People want cute kitties. fine...but dammit I want a fierce cat
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunniEclair View Post
    Anyway, given that Yoship made a big show about the wanting this game to last for at least another decade, I do think we will get both female hrothgar and male viera at some point. Possibly after a massive upgrade, as that is something they will absolutely 100% need to do if this game is going to last.
    They had their chance to assure players attention/hope into 6.0 that there would be a engine update but they chose to say the same old same old this FEB announcement. And the longer they hold off on it, the tougher it is to push through. Either the CEO just doesn't care according to his forced presentation, or Yoshi-P and his development team on FFXVI are handling the updated luminous engine (rumored) to test out and create assets/models that could be taken back into FFXIV for implementation in their "diet" luminous/crystal tool hybrid engine. Possibly even replace it via "copy/paste" without the "spaghetti code" of 1.0. One of the NPCs in the trailer was almost a straight copied hyur model of the Stormblood resistance leader in Rahlgars Reach (hair and all minus clothes) so it sounds like the dev team is playing around with the engine with the work they've done with XIV not just because its easier but they want to test texture mapping and self train. And I would be excited if the game also implemented the other races not limited by CC limitations.

    With Hyur/Highlander. This whole argument of "muh gende/sexism/attractiveness!" would be laid to rest if you can choose a smooth or swol clan under one race with their own unique mesh/posture even if using the same model. Muscles on these races are pixilated messes that Hrothgar and parts of Au Ra were able to combat yet we still cant have any protrusion of abs, triceps, etc. via sliders unless breasts :/

    Also to the later conversation...you can't have "thirst" without something "cool" to quench it.
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