Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

The 'lore' was always a flimsy excuse in my opinion. It's constantly changing and based on the premise surrounding 6.0 and the global threat it represents...that'd be a pretty good excuse to justify adding the missing genders as a playable option. All it really needs is a line of dialogue suggesting that a handful of male viera/female hrothgar quietly left their respective homelands in order to become adventurers. That covers the ARR to ShB time period. For EW, the reasoning can be that many more male viera/female hrothgar were driven out due to their homes being set on fire and attacked by the new threat.

[Hierro]

The whole gender-locked race thing is a mistake. It was a mistake in FFXI too, make no mistake about that either. It was recognized as a mistake when 1.0 was deemed in need of serious fixing, because both roegadyn and miqote were gender-locked from the beginning (along with higherlander hyurs being male only). That's why each of those races got their missing counterparts at the start of 2.0, to rectify that.

But for whatever reason, SE has deemed it okay to repeat this past mistake and add two genderlocked races. Why? For "lore"? We all know that "lore" is an excuse. Lore can be whatever it needs to be, retconned if it has to be. Why should we even defend this?

SE, if you're going to do something, do it right. Stop playing dumb and add what's missing, will ya?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

--Why should people assume that SE decided to suddenly go back to horrible gender restrictions? And some of us did point it out and we did get told down. Its the same like alot of topics here. Anyone daring to say something negative and a few people will always come and say that we should just trust SE, that they wont do it. And if they do something which we see as bad we are told that we should wait...

--The lore reason is also bad because the NPC mentions the males existing, just that he never saw one.

--Im not one of those people that tell ANYBODY, to "Trust SE" I say that... "I trust SE"
Also....Viera....every game they've been in....you only saw the Females..... Like thats just simp0le math, not matter how you wanna think about it. And if it only happened to the Viera, it would make sense, never seeing the males has been consistent. They COULD break the mold...but will they? If they don't, then they remained consistent with the Viera.
Unlike the Roes and the Miqote

--There is no valid argument that says Male Viera don't exist.
There is however the Valid argument, that every game that featured Viera, we have never seen a male. The point isn't if they exist or not...the point is we have never seen them. And (so far) to this day that is just consistent.
They are NOT an Incomplete Race. They are (so far) as designed since their very creation back in Tactics.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've gone over and OVER this. They're not FFXII Viera suddenly sucked into a portal and dumped in the XIV world. They're Hydaelin Viera. They look similar to Ivalice Viera (note: no clawed, three-toed feet, no long claws, ears sit differently, eyes look somewhat different), they have similar (note: SIMILAR, not THE SAME, SIMILAR) Lore, but they're NOT the same.

EVEN THOUGH Matsuno worked on Return to Ivalice, they're not the same. To the point that it's repeatedly mentioned that Ivaliceans are Proto-Garleans, especially the Gougans. Matsuno basically added Fran (and she was added later in development because originally he wanted to add Balthier), the XIV dev team decided to make Viera, and basically made THEIR version of Viera, not Matsuno's (or, Akihiko Yoshida's, the character designer).

And Ill repeat it over and OVER, its not up to us if we get Male Viera. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.
Us arguing over and over about about what game we are playing doesn't change that fact.

The 'lore' was always a flimsy excuse in my opinion. It's constantly changing and based on the premise surrounding 6.0 and the global threat it represents...that'd be a pretty good excuse to justify adding the missing genders as a playable option. All it really needs is a line of dialogue suggesting that a handful of male viera/female hrothgar quietly left their respective homelands in order to become adventurers. That covers the ARR to ShB time period. For EW, the reasoning can be that many more male viera/female hrothgar were driven out due to their homes being set on fire and attacked by the new threat.

Its only flimsy because people always point at the Miqote and the Roes getting changed.
And if 6.0 is gonna be an excuse to change it...awesome, that means adapted lore. Which Ive said is all I want to get me on board with Male Viera suddenly appearing

But for whatever reason, SE has deemed it okay to repeat this past mistake and add two genderlocked races. Why? For "lore"? We all know that "lore" is an excuse. Lore can be whatever it needs to be, retconned if it has to be. Why should we even defend this?

SE, if you're going to do something, do it right. Stop playing dumb and add what's missing, will ya?

They already explained why they did what they did.
This might be the last chance to make a new race, they wanted to fulfil 2 requests, and they didnt have enough time & resources.
People need to be reminded that this was address already lol

[WhiteArchmage]

And Ill repeat it over and OVER, its not up to us if we get Male Viera. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.
Us arguing over and over about about what game we are playing doesn't change that fact.

No it doesn't, but when you say these Viera are the Viera from the Ivalice Alliance games, that's an outright lie. No it's not up to us if we get Male Viera/Fem Hrothgar but saying that "they don't show up in the Ivalice games" is no evidence that they can't show up in this one, especially when they're already mentioned in this one. (With a particular "Oh, too bad he ran away, I would have liked to introduce you")

And, as you yourself mentioned before, there's already a Lore excuse they can fall back on; if Male Viera are made playable and their flavour text changes, then cool; if it doesn't, tough beans, WoL is a special snowflake that can be any race they wish, Male Viera NPCs can join the race/gender club of NPCs of which less than a handful exist.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

No it doesn't, but when you say these Viera are the Viera from the Ivalice Alliance games, that's an outright lie. No it's not up to us if we get Male Viera/Fem Hrothgar but saying that "they don't show up in the Ivalice games" is no evidence that they can't show up in this one, especially when they're already mentioned in this one. (With a particular "Oh, too bad he ran away, I would have liked to introduce you")

And, as you yourself mentioned before, there's already a Lore excuse they can fall back on; if Male Viera are made playable and their flavour text changes, then cool; if it doesn't, tough beans, WoL is a special snowflake that can be any race they wish, Male Viera NPCs can join the race/gender club of NPCs of which less than a handful exist.

Viera is Viera. Thats not a lie in the slightest. Doesn't matter what game. Its still a Viera.
I never said they can't show up here, that has never Never NEVER been any of my arguments.

Glad we can agree on that final part. Can we stop right there and be cool, Or do we need to argue and fight some more about this?

[Awha]

Quick question how are any of the reasons SE has provided for lack of male Viera not considered a valid argument? Sure we can disagree, but a disagreement does not inherently make an argument invalid. Whatever their reasoning is being as they are in control of said decision how can we as those not in control say their conclusions drawn do not necessarily follow from the premises they used.

I ask because I have been seeing that thrown around a lot.

[SomeRandomHuman]

If loyalty is the reason they refuse to do male viera and female hrothgar then what made them break their loyalty to FFXI when they added male miqo'te and female roegadyn?

Considering every active service account to XIV has the power to to be heard due to the spending power. The outcry for the missing genders just needs to continue to escalate until it reaches a breaking point. Because at the end of the day we choose to play XIV instead of other MMOs. At any point and for any reason we, the service account holders, can take our patronage elsewhere. It's a lame idea to stop playing a game over something like this yes, but is an option that all of their players have.

So at the end of the long and windy road of debate and argument it falls down to this: keeping gender-locked races VS keeping active service accounts.

For the mods: this isn't to incite anything or stir up trouble. This is just a friendly point being made to inform those viewing/reading.

[SturmChurro]

So many people have already threatened to "cancel" their sub. I was literally making fun of it several pages back. Many of those people are playing more actively than me, and are female viera. So that's funny. It's really not that big of a deal.

[Undeadfire]

So many people have already threatened to "cancel" their sub. I was literally making fun of it several pages back. Many of those people are playing more actively than me, and are female viera. So that's funny. It's really not that big of a deal.

To be expected, threats are usually fake outs or fear mongering on the internet.

Viera have always been around 80/20 female dominant species among other FF games, 12, and Tactics while the Male are extremely rare and very hostile to anyone that isn't them, as we know SE sticks to that system for 14.