Possible slight rework of the housing demolition timer? In response to content delays

[DrWho2010]

Sure replies might bump the thread but they'll see that the majority of people responding do not agree with your assessment/idea.

And since you've basically just said you don't care how people are replying to your thread just shows how hollow and selfish your reasoning is.

[EaMett]

Sure replies might bump the thread but they'll see that the majority of people responding do not agree with your assessment/idea.

And since you've basically just said you don't care how people are replying to your thread just shows how hollow and selfish your reasoning is.

Of course, but I'm sure they can cross-reference that with other feedback they get surrounding this drought. I'm just looking to add to that.
And it's obvious that this forum would respond negatively, I wasn't expecting much else. Those posts are all echoing each other anyways.

I'm not entirely sure how you made the leap between me not caring and that meaning my reasons are selfish? I'm going to assume that you thought I meant other people's feedback wasn't worth considering? It is. Just not by me. I don't have the big picture and it's a bit moot since it's not like people are coming up with things I hadn't considered before making my original post.

[Themarvin]

Housing clearly state 1 per account that meets the criterias, which says you gotta stay subscribed if you want to keep the house due to the Auto Demolition timer, signing that contract when you buy a house plot, makes it you who is responsible for if want to keep it, and if not you get evicted after 45 days of no activity or self entering the home.

The Tenants did not buy the plot, the tenants is just people living in your house with no owned house tied to them, if they want a house of their own, they gotta buy a plot when or if it become available... it is the owners responsibility to log into the game and make sure their house is not demolished.

I mean can it be any more clear? it is the same for everyone! so there should not be any special rules for a few, we already got enough problems with 1 person FC's and grandfathered players that own entire wards on certain servers.

Do you demand rent from your tenants? if so I would suggest stopping that as well.

100.000s of players playing this game a bunch of them got houses and they are willing to keep subscribed to keep their property, no matter if we missed a dungeon or two or the likes... I am one of them I have more than 20.000 hours recorded on steam in this game.

[Penthea]

OP you would have a point if we were getting absolutely no new content but this isn't the case. Content you're not interested in doing isn't the same as a lack of content.

While I loathe the demolition mechanic I recognise that it is, for lack of a better term, a necessary evil. As long as there is a severe shortage of houses that cannot hope to even remotely meet the demands of an ever growing population measures need to be taken to funnel houses to players who are actively playing.

I know that "active" is a very strong word for someone who only logs in to reset the timer but that is still more active than someone who doesn't log in at all.

I understand the frustrations of being unable to unsub if you want to keep all your assets. I also understand the anxiety tenants feel if the house owner is beginning to look like they will stop logging in. These situations suck. But these are symptoms of a larger issue; the lack of instanced housing.

OP in the future you may want to consider relinquishing your plot if your tenants or friends willing to share get a house. You seem to be the sort of person who unsubs periodically, and that habit doesn't align with keeping a house in FFXIV. If you become a tenant you would be able to unsub whenever and however long you wish.

As a sidenote I'm hoping that island feature is going to have some manner of housing. If it does it would alleviate the biggest issue housing has. If it doesn't I won't be surprised given SE have some very strange ideas as to what is considered to be a good and fair housing system. Just have to wait and see.

[EaMett]

I mean can it be any more clear?

It was clear from before I made this thread, I never said it wasn't. In fact, the very reason I posted was specifically because it was clear and because I wanted to ask SE to consider a temporary amendment. The nature of which I don't particular care about as long as it's a QoL improvement until the next expac. It's a pretty simple ask, I'm not sure why you're still here reminding me of what is.

OP in the future you may want to consider relinquishing your plot if your tenants or friends willing to share get a house. You seem to be the sort of person who unsubs periodically, and that habit doesn't align with keeping a house in FFXIV. If you become a tenant you would be able to unsub whenever and however long you wish.

Thanks for the post, and my desire to unsub temporarily is as exceptional as the lack of battle content provided by SE this year due to covid. And as temporary as the leeway I suggest here.
I usually wouldn't consider a hiatus since SE, under normal circumstances, provide enough battle content to stay busy. If they had produced either one extra bozja zone (totaling 3), one deep dungeon or one ultimate, I wouldn't have considered posting. It would have been a content lull for sure but still enough to justify sticking around. (I'm using these as an example because we got these and more last expansion. But I would settle for something else too).
However, since we won't be getting any of those I saw it justified to ask SE to at least consider a gesture for battle nerds. I know it was partially beyond their control but it's a pretty significant game time drop this time around and a gesture would be good service.

[Jojoya]

It's fortunate for me that you don't work for SE now isn't it?

If I was working for SE and had any influence over the housing system, demolition wouldn't be needed because I would stop putting resources into the ward system failure and start putting them into an instanced system where every player could have at least one house if not more.

Seems to me like you'd be better off if I was working for SE. You wouldn't have to worry about losing your house if you want to quit playing for a while.

But SE has chosen to stick to the failed system and that means demolition is needed. It is rightly tied to entry by owner to prevent additional abuse of the system.

[Penthea]

Thanks for the post, and my desire to unsub temporarily is as exceptional as the lack of battle content provided by SE this year due to covid. And as temporary as the leeway I suggest here.
I usually wouldn't consider a hiatus since SE, under normal circumstances, provide enough battle content to stay busy. If they had produced either one extra bozja zone (totaling 3), one deep dungeon or one ultimate, I wouldn't have considered posting. It would have been a content lull for sure but still enough to justify sticking around. (I'm using these as an example because we got these and more last expansion. But I would settle for something else too).
However, since we won't be getting any of those I saw it justified to ask SE to at least consider a gesture for battle nerds. I know it was partially beyond their control but it's a pretty significant game time drop this time around and a gesture would be good service.

Considering demolition has only been recently turned back on I don't see them changing anything about demolition anytime soon unless something extraordinary happens. If they wanted to do the gesture you would like them to they just would have kept demolition off until a later date.

I get where you're coming from, the game right now doesn't have enough of the content you like to keep you entertained so you don't want to pay for something you're not playing. But as I said there is other content to do so you're not really going to get anywhere with a post like this.

Imagine for a moment SE did decide to turn off demolition or extend the timer due to being unable to release as much combat content as they could in the time when there was no pandemic. If they do that then anyone who feels SE isn't releasing enough of the content they like would ask for the same treatment. It would be a slippery slope that would lead to a lot of drama from players who feel their personal needs as a player aren't being met so they think they deserve longer demolition timers when they request it, players who are disgusted that SE seem to rate players who do certain content as more important than others, and by those with no house who rely on demolition to get one. It would be a horrific mess and a pr disaster. Something like this would only happen if -all- content was experiencing massive delays to the point that the player population as a whole would be rapidly running out of reasons to log in.

There is already a lot of drama when SE turn demolition on or off for large-scale real life disasters. I don't even want to imagine how it would be if SE essentially said "we're changing how demolition works to make high end combat players happy".

[Themarvin]

It was clear from before I made this thread, I never said it wasn't. In fact, the very reason I posted was specifically because it was clear and because I wanted to ask SE to consider a temporary amendment. The nature of which I don't particular care about as long as it's a QoL improvement until the next expac. It's a pretty simple ask, I'm not sure why you're still here reminding me of what is.

Then you have to understand, as long as there is things to do in this game, even if you do not like doing it and the likes, then what you propose is never going to happen, as others will keep on playing game or keep active to keep their stuff in other ways, it is tough luck you only like a very small part of the game, but to keep what you got, you have to be in the same boat as everyone else, and just accept that this is how it is.

I don't and 1000s of others is not interested either, that a select few get special treatment, and SE is definately not interested in messing their playerbase up to an open riot either due to this, so just leave it as it is.

[Catstab]

Again, nobody asked for 180$ credit.

I feel like you can't read your own thread or something.

"I want to stop paying for the game, without losing what I'm paying for"

"Ok but why does SE owe you anything for free?"

"I don't want anything free, I just want to stop paying for anything but keep getting the benefits"

?????

[EaMett]

Late to reply, was busy. But here it goes.

If I was working for SE and had any influence over the housing system, demolition wouldn't be needed because I would stop putting resources into the ward system failure and start putting them into an instanced system where every player could have at least one house if not more.

Fair enough.

If they do that then anyone who feels SE isn't releasing enough of the content they like would ask for the same treatment.

I never said to stop timers. Also, you're saying that as if I randomly strolled into the forums. This is an exceptional circumstance and I asked to exceptionally consider a change. No one would ask for the same treatment because hopefully, this is the only time this will ever happen.

... then what you propose is never going to happen, as others will keep on playing game or keep active to keep their stuff in other ways, it is tough luck you only like a very small part of the game, ...

1) Thing is, at the end of the day it's up to SE. You can tell me it won't happen until you're blue in the face and I'll keep telling you I'm here to appeal to SE. 2) It's not a small part of the game though. Combat is the core of the game and a huge part of it. In terms of game time, this expansion reduced combat content by about a third compared to last expansion (and that's assuming they're still on track to deliver other content). It's a significant reduction.