Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Then they really should learn not to talk about stuff that they have no idea if they can ever do it. Heck they kind of like to be silent on stuff that they know will not happen just to get the hype still going. When female Vieras were revealed most people still believed that the males would be shown later. And why should they not when all the other races before were complete. People outright asked Yoshida after that fanfest if we will get male Vieras and he was completely secretive about it. He knew at that time that they dont and instead of telling the truth and getting some backlash there they just ignored that which of course hyped up everyone that wanted males and got their hopes up too..which of course came crashing down when Hrothgars were suddenly introduced. It might not have been nice how some people reacted at the beginning of the thread but its completely understandable and its on SE...they could have decided to tell the truth but they wanted to keep up all the hype.

Yoshida is also part of the boards of directors. He is basically at one of the most highest positions in SE. I am not saying that he does not care about the game (he does) but he is also not above outright telling us stuff that we want to hear with no idea if they will do it and sometimes with the knowledge that they wont. And if they do that they deserve any backlash they get because we as the customers who pay them money for a product need the trust. And sadly they sometimes like to play with it to just get more money out of us.

Heck I would be much more happier if they simply told us the harsh truth. No other genders, no real plan to truly give those existing ones constant new hairstyles or fit the hats for them. At least than everyone of us could make their decision. Now its just in a state of limbo.

They never said they possibly couldn't do it. They said it was happening; locked in, pretty much a promise. Unlike if Male Viera or Female Hrothgar would happen or not.

The hype for male viera was on the community, yoshiP never said it was happening, and with FF lore, we have in fact never actually saw a Male Viera. We can argue and talk circles about that subject yet AGAIN, but at this point its just rehashing a fruitless argument and its quite boring. Look, ill agree that maybe he should have outright said no, or maybe even then, should have just not said anything, cause more and more, it sounds like the backlash isn't so much the genderlock, as it is that people had an inkling of hope they might see male viera because they weren't told "no" Was it marketing or PR, I cant say and I wont pretend it was.

Is it possible that as a Japanese Company they just work differently then American Companies? Just asking, cause this is my 1st real MMO, and which how people talk about SE it sometimes sounds like they think a Japanese company would be run the same as an american company. IDK, I got no frame of reference.

And, if they outright said yes or no but suddenly they can or cant, wouldn't that just create more issues?
- They say they can't and have no plans...but then suddenly they can.
- They Say they can and do have plans, but now suddenly they can't
Either way, this would lead to YoshiP looking like a liar. And that I think would be worse then waiting to hear news when they outright have an answer indefinitely.
Id rather stay in limbo until there is an answer. Not demand and rush an answer. In the meantime, there is alot more going on with the game.

[Ranhansha]

They never said they possibly couldn't do it. They said it was happening; locked in, pretty much a promise. Unlike if Male Viera or Female Hrothgar would happen or not.

The hype for male viera was on the community, yoshiP never said it was happening, and with FF lore, we have in fact never actually saw a Male Viera. We can argue and talk circles about that subject yet AGAIN, but at this point its just rehashing a fruitless argument and its quite boring. Look, ill agree that maybe he should have outright said no, or maybe even then, should have just not said anything, cause more and more, it sounds like the backlash isn't so much the genderlock, as it is that people had an inkling of hope they might see male viera because they weren't told "no" Was it marketing or PR, I cant say and I wont pretend it was.

Is it possible that as a Japanese Company they just work differently then American Companies? Just asking, cause this is my 1st real MMO, and which how people talk about SE it sometimes sounds like they think a Japanese company would be run the same as an american company. IDK, I got no frame of reference.

And, if they outright said yes or no but suddenly they can or cant, wouldn't that just create more issues?
- They say they can't and have no plans...but then suddenly they can.
- They Say they can and do have plans, but now suddenly they can't
Either way, this would lead to YoshiP looking like a liar. And that I think would be worse then waiting to hear news when they outright have an answer indefinitely.
Id rather stay in limbo until there is an answer. Not demand and rush an answer. In the meantime, there is alot more going on with the game.

Is it that difficult to say? "Don't expect them because we can't do it right now. However, it is high in our priority list, so, if possible, they will be developed."
Even so, the "we can't" excuse is getting stale for some issues with the passing years, but it would just put the matter to rest. At the moment, they are just playing with people's hopes. They 99% know this is a concern in the community and if they don't, they have a serious problem getting in touch with us, considering the amount of likes this thread has.
Anyways, as it has been said, we'll have to wait for the complete notes on the Endwalker expansion, but their behaviour towards players is not always as respectful as it is claimed to be.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Is it that difficult to say? "Don't expect them because we can't do it right now. However, it is high in our priority list, so, if possible, they will be developed."
Even so, the "we can't" excuse is getting stale for some issues with the passing years, but it would just put the matter to rest. At the moment, they are just playing with people's hopes. They 99% know this is a concern in the community and if they don't, they have a serious problem getting in touch with us, considering the amount of likes this thread has.
Anyways, as it has been said, we'll have to wait for the complete notes on the Endwalker expansion, but their behaviour towards players is not always as respectful as it is claimed to be.

Its probly not Difficult to say...but he probably doesn't want to say anything till he knows for certain. Again, there are other things going on with the game, there is a chance at the time he didn't actually have time to explore every option. They can look into it once things are settled down and the schedule is smooth, no need to rush into it and put actual game content on the hold over it.
Saying its a Priority is doing the same thing; setting up expectations. And if they can't deliver for any reason...more backlash.

[Ranhansha]

Its probly not Difficult to say...but he probably doesn't want to say anything till he knows for certain. Again, there are other things going on with the game, there is a chance at the time he didn't actually have time to explore every option. They can look into it once things are settled down and the schedule is smooth, no need to rush into it and put actual game content on the hold over it.
Saying its a Priority is doing the same thing; setting up expectations. And if they can't deliver for any reason...more backlash.

The priority thing was just an example of what he might say. He might as well say it wasn't in their plans. It was a way of showing that if he said "No, but don't be surprised if it happens" there could be no backslash. Except from the usual one that comes every time something new is included.

[wereotter]

The priority thing was just an example of what he might say. He might as well say it wasn't in their plans. It was a way of showing that if he said "No, but don't be surprised if it happens" there could be no backslash. Except from the usual one that comes every time something new is included.

It's a cultural thing as well as a PR one. If you watch how he talks, he very rarely outright says "no" to anything.

There may be other examples, but I believe the only times he's ever given a hard no to anything in the game was when people asked if more jobs would split off the same class in the same way as summoner/scholar, and when people were asking to play a warrior of light that's adolescent or a child. Everything else has always been "maybe..."

I don't have much interaction with Japanese businessmen otherwise, but from what I've been told by others, this is normal for someone in his position.

[Vahlnir]

It's a cultural thing as well as a PR one. If you watch how he talks, he very rarely outright says "no" to anything.

There may be other examples, but I believe the only times he's ever given a hard no to anything in the game was when people asked if more jobs would split off the same class in the same way as summoner/scholar, and when people were asking to play a warrior of light that's adolescent or a child. Everything else has always been "maybe..."

I don't have much interaction with Japanese businessmen otherwise, but from what I've been told by others, this is normal for someone in his position.

Depending on the subject he's pretty straight forward about it. Other times he will dance around it or throw "server limitations" at us. It mostly depends on what he's talking about. Sometimes he probably doesn't have the freedom to say yes or no because that's what the big man at the top ordered, like at Fanfests. You can tell he wants to tell us a juicy bit of information but everyone, himself included, knows he can't yet. I might not agree with all of his answers, and I may roll my eyes at him every now and then, but I just appreciate not being talked down to like the WoW devs do to their player base. Yoshi P seems like a good guy who's as passionate about the game as some of the rest of us. He even referred to it as his "life's work" during the showcase when he confirmed he wasn't going anywhere.

[Alleo]

The hype for male viera was on the community, yoshiP never said it was happening, and with FF lore, we have in fact never actually saw a Male Viera. We can argue and talk circles about that subject yet AGAIN, but at this point its just rehashing a fruitless argument and its quite boring. Look, ill agree that maybe he should have outright said no, or maybe even then, should have just not said anything, cause more and more, it sounds like the backlash isn't so much the genderlock, as it is that people had an inkling of hope they might see male viera because they weren't told "no" Was it marketing or PR, I cant say and I wont pretend it was.

Is it possible that as a Japanese Company they just work differently then American Companies? Just asking, cause this is my 1st real MMO, and which how people talk about SE it sometimes sounds like they think a Japanese company would be run the same as an american company. IDK, I got no frame of reference.

The hype was completely on SE...again Yoshida was asked after the reveal of the females if we get male vieras and he just kept on increasing the hype. He bascially was like "you will see at the next fanfest" which seeing how we always got all genders and no other race was on the door at that time, that this was a yes. Anyone at that time that kind of pointed out that this is strange was talked down because we should believe in Yoshida and his team and that they would not lie to us. They did. They answered the question that way on purpose.

Yes japanese companies or japenese people in general have the "dont lose face" mentality. Which might be part of the problem but that should not be something we have to worry about. And as others have pointed out he has no problems being quite straight with some of his answers so its not like he can never say no at all.

If they say they have no plans but still do it what would be the problem? People would simply be happy...it would be a wonderful surprise and a lot of people would surely praise them to the heavens for it.
If they say yes but plans change that of course will leave people disappointed BUT instead of just not doing it and being silent or mixed about it just post one of the nice long Yoshi-P posts where he explains the reason in detail. It would not be perfect but if you communicate then there will be much less backlash. But they simply seems to not communicate at all.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The hype was completely on SE...again Yoshida was asked after the reveal of the females if we get male vieras and he just kept on increasing the hype. He bascially was like "you will see at the next fanfest" which seeing how we always got all genders and no other race was on the door at that time, that this was a yes. Anyone at that time that kind of pointed out that this is strange was talked down because we should believe in Yoshida and his team and that they would not lie to us. They did. They answered the question that way on purpose.

Yes japanese companies or japenese people in general have the "dont lose face" mentality. Which might be part of the problem but that should not be something we have to worry about. And as others have pointed out he has no problems being quite straight with some of his answers so its not like he can never say no at all.

If they say they have no plans but still do it what would be the problem? People would simply be happy...it would be a wonderful surprise and a lot of people would surely praise them to the heavens for it.
If they say yes but plans change that of course will leave people disappointed BUT instead of just not doing it and being silent or mixed about it just post one of the nice long Yoshi-P posts where he explains the reason in detail. It would not be perfect but if you communicate then there will be much less backlash. But they simply seems to not communicate at all.

He was ambiguous, he didn't say yes or no. It was a badly worded and extremely vague response. Being Vague is not saying yes. Either he could have just not answered or he could/should just say outright no. People agree to this. But people seem to hate to admit they were the ones that came to the conclusion Male Viera was happening. Also, be fair, why blame Square Enix when the response was from YoshiP?
Just saying.

YoshiP already gave a decent enough answer that people can't be happy or accepting of. He pretty much said "If they can, but we can't say yes or no" Im not gonna rehash the same line he already said multiple times, and that was posted here multiple times.
He can very easily give a big response explaining why things are....I mean...he already did.
Now we are waiting on to hear if it will actually happen, maybe it is, maybe not, its better to not say anything until you can give a firm, confirmed, surefire answer.

He can't communicate something he doesn't have an answer to.

[Alleo]

He was ambiguous, he didn't say yes or no. It was a badly worded and extremely vague response. Being Vague is not saying yes. Either he could have just not answered or he could/should just say outright no. People agree to this. But people seem to hate to admit they were the ones that came to the conclusion Male Viera was happening. Also, be fair, why blame Square Enix when the response was from YoshiP?
Just saying.

He was ambigous on purpose. If I remember it correctly they even said that they knew that they would get backlash for the decision of including only half of the genders. And of course being vague does not mean yes but under the circumstances the chance that male vieras would happen was just so big. Why should people assume that SE decided to suddenly go back to horrible gender restrictions? And some of us did point it out and we did get told down. Its the same like alot of topics here. Anyone daring to say something negative and a few people will always come and say that we should just trust SE, that they wont do it. And if they do something which we see as bad we are told that we should wait...

Just like we got told that SE said that we will get new hairstyles for the new races and that we should wait...a whole expansion with the new genders is over soon and we did not get a single one. Of course now the goal post was moved again and we are told that SE never said any specific time so its on us again for being disappointed..

Are people sometimes jumping to conclusions too early? Of course! But a lot of time its also thanks to the hype that the devs like to create.

First of all, Yoshida was not responsible for increasing any hype for any potential male Viera after the Viera reveal fanfest. When asked about it, he told the interviewer to "reread/look at the game's lore." And players quickly checked out the Ivalice raid's dramaturge and discovered that he says something along the lines of "they simply don't exist to us" about the subject. For all people want to get upset over Yoshida for not telling them "no;" the way I still see it, that was his way of letting people down gently and letting them discover the answer to that on their own without subsequently spoiling a major reveal for the upcoming Tokyo Fanfest.

I searched it up.

Ricedigital wrote this after the first fanfest:

In a press conference, Yoshida was asked whether this was going to continue to be the case or whether male Viera would be coming with the 5.0 update to the popular MMO. However, he refused to comment on this matter, teasing that this would be revealed at the Tokyo Fan Fest on March 23rd-24th 2019 (he even did a motion zipping his mouth).

Another site wrote this:

Update: Speaking with Stevivor at a press conference, Producer Naoki Yoshida said that fans will have to wait until Shadowbreakers‘ Tokyo reveal event for more information about male Viera.


Yet another site:
During a Q&A conference with press, game director Naoki Yoshida was asked about the absence of male Viera and the possibility of the race being gender locked to women only. Yoshida refused to commit to an answer, instead remarking that more would be revealed at the Japan Fan Fest, which took place last week. Stirring the pot further, Yoshida also remarked that the Viera would likely be the final race to be added to Final Fantasy XIV, leading many to believe that a reveal of the male Viera options would be coming.


The part you mean is the following which was said after the second fanfest after the backlash started!

In an interview with Gamespot, conducted at the Tokyo Fan Fest, producer Naoki “Yoshi-P” Yoshida responded to the fan outcry. The key exchange is this section:

"We have to identify what they're coming from, so we can respond correctly," Yoshida said about concerned fans. "We want to review all the feedback that players gave. The bottom line is that the addition of a race takes quite a lot of cost; it's really quite an undertaking."

Yoshida added that in Final Fantasy XII, which is where Viera is from, the male Viera do not show themselves in public, so Final Fantasy XIV Online is staying loyal to the lore with only offering a female option. Yoshida explained that the male-only Hrothgar is Square Enix's effort to offer a new male-only race in response to Viera being female-only.

They also went back on the lore statement later and again flip flopped between reasons afterwards quite a bit...from stating that Hrothgar were created first, to them saying that they choose Viera but saw the want for a more bestial race thus introduced the male Hrothgars too. See just one statement being changed from one interview to the other.

The lore reason is also bad because the NPC mentions the males existing, just that he never saw one.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

--Why should people assume that SE decided to suddenly go back to horrible gender restrictions? And some of us did point it out and we did get told down. Its the same like alot of topics here. Anyone daring to say something negative and a few people will always come and say that we should just trust SE, that they wont do it. And if they do something which we see as bad we are told that we should wait...

--The lore reason is also bad because the NPC mentions the males existing, just that he never saw one.

--Im not one of those people that tell ANYBODY, to "Trust SE" I say that... "I trust SE"
Also....Viera....every game they've been in....you only saw the Females..... Like thats just simp0le math, not matter how you wanna think about it. And if it only happened to the Viera, it would make sense, never seeing the males has been consistent. They COULD break the mold...but will they? If they don't, then they remained consistent with the Viera.
Unlike the Roes and the Miqote

--There is no valid argument that says Male Viera don't exist.
There is however the Valid argument, that every game that featured Viera, we have never seen a male. The point isn't if they exist or not...the point is we have never seen them. And (so far) to this day that is just consistent.
They are NOT an Incomplete Race. They are (so far) as designed since their very creation back in Tactics.