Does Square intend to address Market botting?

[Kes13a]

The reason they have a bottom set is because they run a business -- selling gil. If they still undercut you, they are making enough profit to keep the business running (trust me). Don't forget that they are active on basically every server selling ALL items lvl 50 and over. While you can slow their business down on Zalera (how many items do you actually sell?) it's business as usual on the other servers. Think about that before you waste more time on them. Even without selling the items you screw them on they are probably still making millions of gil on items lvl 50 - 79.

EDIT: Not trying to bash you by the way. I'm just trying to warn you about how little impact you will have on their operations. Undercut them for personal profits by all means, but don't think it will hurt them in any way. They don't even know you are undercutting them anyway because they don't physically play.

The -ONLY- way to screw them over really good is by having at least one person on every server dumping items all day long below their buttom price. And trust me, literally no one in his/her right mind can keep that up for items lvl 50 and up.

Lost cause boys. Either SE steps in or none of this will ever go away.

well, after spending a good portion of my day doing nothing but crafting, yes, you are right. I sold 40 things but its unsustainable and only a crazy person would ever hope of competing against them. and no, I didnt feel bashed at all, I had not actually considered the wider implications, but you make a very valid point. the RMT importers who bring in a stack of goods from a single crafter on a central world are proof of this. Jojoya and his friends win I suppose. it will continue and SE will continue do nothing but cover their ears and loudly exclaim in Japanese "I cant heeeear you"

Just as a thought after what you wrote I took a look at lower level gear and the penetrate very deeply. so, my little experiemnt, ended up very much proving your point. I wouldnt have even raised a programmed eyebrow

thank you. looks like crafting is done.

[Jojoya]

Jojoya and his friends win I suppose. .

They aren't my friends and you really need to stop stating that they are.

I gave you a dose of reality based on my years of MMO experience. You thought you knew better. Now you understand why I've stopped obsessing over bots.

Again, absolutely report anyone if you've come across undeniable proof that they are botting or cheating in some way. I still do.

But don't let their existence get to you because it's just a game. It's not worth it..

[Dragonkat]

They aren't my friends and you really need to stop stating that they are.

I gave you a dose of reality based on my years of MMO experience. You thought you knew better. Now you understand why I've stopped obsessing over bots.

Again, absolutely report anyone if you've come across undeniable proof that they are botting or cheating in some way. I still do.

But don't let their existence get to you because it's just a game. It's not worth it..

Which still boils down to "Cheating is a fact of life, deal with it."

Which is unacceptable because it still makes crafting pointless because the bots control the market.
Which is unacceptable because you're passive accepting of cheating encourages it.
but most of all it's unacceptable because...

Square. Isn't. Enforcing. Their. Own. EULA! Despite endless reports of the problems!

How hard of a concept is that for you to get Jojoya? I'm glad you're fine with it. a lot of us out here AREN'T. Because a large part of our game is being impacted by it.

[Yureina]

Which still boils down to "Cheating is a fact of life, deal with it."

Which is unacceptable because it still makes crafting pointless because the bots control the market.
Which is unacceptable because you're passive accepting of cheating encourages it.
but most of all it's unacceptable because...

Square. Isn't. Enforcing. Their. Own. EULA! Despite endless reports of the problems!

How hard of a concept is that for you to get Jojoya? I'm glad you're fine with it. a lot of us out here AREN'T. Because a large part of our game is being impacted by it.

They also didn't do anything about one of my FC mates getting hacked and handing all 64M of the FC chest's money to a low level alt. Apparently they can't restore it because it wasn't my friend's money. Hackers are also very much part of the RMT business.

On another note, if anyone is willing to come to Coeurl, Rhalgr's Reach at 10.0, 12.4... please do. I need a second opinion on whether or not this guy is botting.

[Wrestlefire769]

Square. Isn't. Enforcing. Their. Own. EULA! Despite endless reports of the problems!

How hard of a concept is that for you to get Jojoya? I'm glad you're fine with it. a lot of us out here AREN'T. Because a large part of our game is being impacted by it.

They are under no legal obligation to do so -- Leung vs. Square-Enix.

I have asserted that Square-Enix, outside of Japan, has been in league with this type of player for a very long time (at least 15 years, possibly more, going back to FFXI). You're going to need to hurt Square-Enix in a way that the Japanese hierarchy of the game, and specifically them, MUST take action. And there may not be a way to do that.

[Angelhearth]

They are under no legal obligation to do so -- Leung vs. Square-Enix.

I have asserted that Square-Enix, outside of Japan, has been in league with this type of player for a very long time (at least 15 years, possibly more, going back to FFXI). You're going to need to hurt Square-Enix in a way that the Japanese hierarchy of the game, and specifically them, MUST take action. And there may not be a way to do that.

What is "vs" with him and SE? According to LinkedIN he's working as a QA for them, and has done so for over 12 years.

[Wrestlefire769]

What is "vs" with him and SE? According to LinkedIN he's working as a QA for them, and has done so for over 12 years.

I don't think we're talking about the same person.

There was a lawsuit -- here, lemme go find something here...

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/5-.../1100-6214710/

Spelled the name wrong: Leong vs. Square-Enix.

The case was decided against and the judge basically said SE (nor anyone else) has an obligation to uphold their end of the TOS.

Cheating is a fact of life.
Do what you can about it.
Push SQEX to do more about it.
But don't let it push you overboard.

What if you functionally cannot?

And what if, worse, it basically obstructs the gameplay of others to try??

[ItMe]

What if you functionally cannot?

And what if, worse, it basically obstructs the gameplay of others to try??

Part ways with it.
Stop engaging with something making you that miserable.
If it's that upsetting and interfering with how you function it needs to be left in the dust.

And I don't understand that last part.
What do you mean?
You are obstructing the gameplay of others by trying?

[Angelhearth]

I don't think we're talking about the same person.

There was a lawsuit -- here, lemme go find something here...

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/5-.../1100-6214710/

Spelled the name wrong: Leong vs. Square-Enix.

That lawsuit was about the subscription and payment of such and not even close to what we're talking about here, in my opinion.

[ItMe]

They are under no legal obligation to do so -- Leung vs. Square-Enix.

Is this a... court case??