Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[SturmChurro]

They can't just "lift" gender lock restrictions. They have to refit every single piece of gear to every single female body (vice versa). It takes time. It would take quite a bit of time to do so, to the extent some people would want actually. I'd rather see certain, desirable things lifted. Now that, certain desirable sets being lifted? Let's debate that.

[Infindox]

You mean USA/California has gone past. Certainly not the majority of the world.

Clearly you have a very narrow-minded view of the world if you think it's an American thing to want to wear what they want others to view them as, and that the majority of the world doesn't care.

[Iscah]

The only ones that gain a thing from this are players who players who play :
- females characters
- femboys (idk any other word you get the idea)

Males players who want manly stuff, gain nothing but have to share. But no one cares here right ?

There are actually quite a few things that would look good on male characters, and not necessarily in a feminine way. The new coat (aside of the skirt) is really fairly unisex, and there would be an assortment of gloves and boots. Lyse's jacket and Lightning's gear would be great if they were willing to make character outfits unisex.

Even the bunny suit, the height of "definitely designed for female", gave some nice plain wristbands that are useful on their own.

It would inevitably be unbalanced, but that's an effect of male versus female fashion as a whole, because it's generally culturally accepted that a woman can wear pants without instantly looking masculine but it doesn't go the other way.

[MeiraStarborne]

They can't just "lift" gender lock restrictions. They have to refit every single piece of gear to every single female body (vice versa). It takes time. It would take quite a bit of time to do so, to the extent some people would want actually. I'd rather see certain, desirable things lifted. Now that, certain desirable sets being lifted? Let's debate that.

Of course it's not just a switch that would be flipped. I'm well aware that they'd need to invest some time and work into adjusting the glams for all body types. Which is why my post called out specifically outfits from the online shop. Customers would PAY for an un-gender-locked costume.

I know it takes extra time to re-fit outfits for all character models, but these are glams, and it's 2021. There is no timeline to keep. No rush to get them on the shop. So please, take the time to adjust them to all models.

If you read my original post, I literally acknowledged the time it would take to adjust the outfits.

[Theodric]

I'd prefer to see the current approach continue. The moment hairstyles began to be designed to be 'unisex' the design began to shift towards the majority being made to be feminine or androgynous. Yet even then, they manage to be made in such a way that many female characters do not want to use them as they're not quite as long or elegant as they'd like them to be. We've also seen the number of new hairstyles added to the game reduced over time. I'd rather not see that problem begin to afflict armour and casual glamour as well.

Games such as Monster Hunter World also do very well for themselves by designing gear to look different on both a male and female character model. With how much the development team have on their hands already, I'd much prefer to not see them given extra work when there's so many other glaring issues that could be addressed instead.

As a gay guy, personally I'd like to see more masculine looking options for male characters over more female exclusive outfits being unlocked. Especially when the number of male characters using formerly female exclusive glamour is much smaller than the number of female characters using formerly male exclusive glamour. Maybe the developers can add eyebrows for Highlander men and the stubble that the Warrior of Darkness uses in promotional footage?

[SturmChurro]

Of course it's not just a switch that would be flipped. I'm well aware that they'd need to invest some time and work into adjusting the glams for all body types. Which is why my post called out specifically outfits from the online shop. Customers would PAY for an un-gender-locked costume.



If you read my original post, I literally acknowledged the time it would take to adjust the outfits.

I did not quote you. I was not responding to necessarily you. I was responding in general, as my post states "to the extent some people would want actually". Though, no, I did not read your post. You caught me.

I'd prefer to see the current approach continue. The moment hairstyles began to be designed to be 'unisex' the design began to shift towards the majority being made to be feminine or androgynous. Yet even then, they manage to be made in such a way that many female characters do not want to use them as they're not quite as long or elegant as they'd like them to be. We've also seen the number of new hairstyles added to the game reduced over time. I'd rather not see that problem begin to afflict armour and casual glamour as well.

Games such as Monster Hunter World also do very well for themselves by designing gear to look different on both a male and female character model. With how much the development team have on their hands already, I'd much prefer to not see them given extra work when there's so many other glaring issues that could be addressed instead.

As a gay guy, personally I'd like to see more masculine looking options for male characters over more female exclusive outfits being unlocked. Especially when the number of male characters using formerly female exclusive glamour is much smaller than the number of female characters using formerly male exclusive glamour. Maybe the developers can add eyebrows for Highlander men and the stubble that the Warrior of Darkness uses in promotional footage?

Agreed to an extent. I think males would actually get the short end of the stick with universal glams, more often than not too. Less masculine attire, in general.

[Juzjuzz]

Equal access to all gear / glams for others does not mean less for you. It's not pie. You're not "sharing" anything. Sharing implies that YOU give something of yours to someone else. YOU would lose nothing by SE giving what they gave you to the rest of us as well.

True but while players who enjoy everything they wanted, i should be glad to enjoy outfits i didn't even want? Why should i have less than others in the end ?

I'm not sure you understand what "unlock glamour restrictions" means. It means more for everyone, not less :P

I understand that i wil have a access to female stuff, but there's nothing interesting in there. Right now it's just more for others but others won't find a good deal for me. So i'm good with genderlocking.

What? You and everyone else that's trying to defend genderlocking as good when it's literally less for everyone. Some males want dresses. Some female outfits aren't even skirts or dresses and would fit nicely in male glamour. (The Nezha female set comes to mind) There's so much "manly" stuff in this game already. And people afraid of "men in bikinis", we already have an extremely tight speedo for them, what's the difference? Why do people who play female characters who enjoy expressing themselves in suits and pants have to suffer because you don't like it?

Then ask for a suit made for females. Males could ask for bikinis as well, but if you ask me i'd say "no lol i don't care about bikinis on dudes, i'd like a cool armor instead". Removing genderlocking is just not interesting, so why should i say yes ? I'm not saying it's less to remove genderlocking, it's actually great for you guys. But since i'm getting nothing, why even saying yes to change ? So no i don't want to remove it. Nezha female set won't look great on male imo, not even worth trying.
"There's so much "manly" stuff in this game already." And you want more stuff for men?? When i say manly stuff i mean stuff that goes well on men, even if it works on female too. What is too manly in this game for you ?

It would inevitably be unbalanced, but that's an effect of male versus female fashion as a whole, because it's generally culturally accepted that a woman can wear pants without instantly looking masculine but it doesn't go the other way.

I'm not a glam expert i don't know every piece of gear but like you said there's not a lot of them. That's why i say no, it's unbalanced. It's not hard to see that players who enjoy manly things will end up having way less enjoyable things, that others. If genderlock is removed : females outfits have to become more attractive to more male players (and not just ppl who want femboys because that's convenient).

[MeiraStarborne]

I understand that i wil have a access to female stuff, but there's nothing interesting in there. Right now it's just more for others but others won't find a good deal for me. So i'm good with genderlocking.

This level of selfishness is what's wrong with the world.

You'd have access to everything, just like I would, but because you don't like it all, I should be denied access? No. That's not how this works. Would I want, buy, or wear EVERY male gender-locked glam out there? No. But I would NEVER try deny access to them to someone who does want them.

[Theodric]

This level of selfishness is what's wrong with the world.

Is it not simply a difference in opinion over pixels on a screen?

[Lauront]

This level of selfishness is what's wrong with the world.

You'd have access to everything, just like I would, but because you don't like it all, I should be denied access? No. That's not how this works. Would I want, buy, or wear EVERY male gender-locked glam out there? No. But I would NEVER try deny access to them to someone who does want them.

I think another way to put it is, at what cost, and for what benefit? There is a selfishness from both parties. Your request comes at a cost, with a benefit to you. That cost potentially means less of something that person might want. Hard to quantify such things without actually being SE, but let's not pretend it's just selfishness on one end... or try moralise about it.

Clearly you have a very narrow-minded view of the world if you think it's an American thing to want to wear what they want others to view them as, and that the majority of the world doesn't care.

But I think they are correct, in that this is a point of view of a segment of the American population, and certainly some other segments elsewhere, but definitely not something the "majority of the world" has "gone past". Don't confuse your social media echo chambers for "the world".