Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

Personally? I'll be fearing for the future of the game if we don't see the missing genders and/or upgraded character customisation added to the game as of 6.0.

The development team and investors must be aware by this point that both elements are in fairly high demand. In the case of the latter, people have been asking for it since the days of ARR. Furthermore, rival MMO's have been future proofing their own game by expanding character customisation, adding new playable races and upgrading the graphics/textures significantly.

If we don't get either feature as of 6.0, then that would mean waiting until 7.0 at the earliest...which in turn is a good 2-3 years away.

My main hope is that the reason 5.0 is light on content is due to major features being worked on in the background. I guess we'll see if that's the case or not if the announcement showcase in February reveals as much.

[Lauront]

anyway with essentially online fan fest a little over two weeks away I hope people don't expect a reveal for M viera and or F hroth
i want them both just as much as anyone else in both threads but also not getting my hopes up ,also be nice if they are not revealed or mentioned not to freak out,complain or insult developers that there is no word on them.

Agreed on not freaking out or insulting them, but I certainly expect people will complain, and not without cause...

[Lihtleita]

perhaps in the light of the pandemic still being a thing in a couple months, they can reallocate the marketing funds that would be used on busses and billboards to expanding the team dealing with character customisation. need to drill holes in all the hairstyles for them rabbit ears.

[zeylos]

Personally? I'll be fearing for the future of the game if we don't see the missing genders and/or upgraded character customisation added to the game as of 6.0.

The development team and investors must be aware by this point that both elements are in fairly high demand. In the case of the latter, people have been asking for it since the days of ARR. Furthermore, rival MMO's have been future proofing their own game by expanding character customisation, adding new playable races and upgrading the graphics/textures significantly.

If we don't get either feature as of 6.0, then that would mean waiting until 7.0 at the earliest...which in turn is a good 2-3 years away.

My main hope is that the reason 5.0 is light on content is due to major features being worked on in the background. I guess we'll see if that's the case or not if the announcement showcase in February reveals as much.

I really think that if they dont add the missing genders it is most certainly a rather bad sign for the future, considering that theyre the most requested feature in the game (ever I think?) and it would really show theyre committed to keeping the playerbase happy

[SturmChurro]

Personally? I'll be fearing for the future of the game if we don't see the missing genders and/or upgraded character customisation added to the game as of 6.0.

The development team and investors must be aware by this point that both elements are in fairly high demand. In the case of the latter, people have been asking for it since the days of ARR. Furthermore, rival MMO's have been future proofing their own game by expanding character customisation, adding new playable races and upgrading the graphics/textures significantly.

If we don't get either feature as of 6.0, then that would mean waiting until 7.0 at the earliest...which in turn is a good 2-3 years away.

My main hope is that the reason 5.0 is light on content is due to major features being worked on in the background. I guess we'll see if that's the case or not if the announcement showcase in February reveals as much.

I don't see the correlation, I'd fear more for the future with other aspects of the game in general. Such as job design, quality of content, new content/features, etc. Further character customization, and male viera/female hrothgar are just novelty.

[Juzjuzz]

More options, why not ? But i already see it : male viera with 6 haircuts and female rothgar with 2x more but you can't change.
And i'm more concerned about job design, dungeons, raids and many other things. No point in adding new races if everything else isn't great. Except quick money for SE.

[Allegor]

I don't see the correlation, I'd fear more for the future with other aspects of the game in general. Such as job design, quality of content, new content/features, etc. Further character customization, and male viera/female hrothgar are just novelty.

I think it can be both, actually. WoW got a lot of positive feedback both times they enhanced their CC, many people even went back to the game mostly because of it and the restriction lift from the allied races, rather than the game itself. It's true new races and overall customizations are just aesthetics, as opposed to stuff that affect gameplay/content, but it'd be a lie to say they don't leave a lasting impact on the audience's perception of the game too - Female Au Ra is the second most popular option even today, and even Hrothgars, despite having a smaller fanbase, all but made Roes go extinct.

[zeylos]

I don't see the correlation, I'd fear more for the future with other aspects of the game in general. Such as job design, quality of content, new content/features, etc. Further character customization, and male viera/female hrothgar are just novelty.

I think its rather that you dont actually care for them so you see them as a novelty than that they arent as important, its almost obvious that male viera and female hrotgar would be a lot more profitable than more customization (which would likely be harder to implement considering that as far as Im aware they'd have to change a ton of things in the code etc) also job design is pretty good as it is and the next expac will hopefully fix healers and new content and features is the base of anything they release, considering everything is 'content and features' and male viera and female hrotgar may be the sinlge most requested piece of content in the game ever, as such, their implementation would likely show the devs are willing to go above and beyond to appease to theri playerbase and that with such an investment they're truly commited to supporting this game 500% like they've been doing till now (it isn't like if they werent added because of resources or something along those lines they arent commited, its just that their implementation would show it very clearly)

More options, why not ? But i already see it : male viera with 6 haircuts and female rothgar with 2x more but you can't change.
And i'm more concerned about job design, dungeons, raids and many other things. No point in adding new races if everything else isn't great. Except quick money for SE.

I'm actually pretty much inclined to believe that at this point they'll release incredibly limited male viera and female hrotgar, maybe add the job hats so people have something for both genders of both races and call it a day. It's clear that to this point they havent really put any effort into fixing or updating either of the current models, this might be because they dont have time or resources, because they simply dont want or if were more optimistic because theyre planning big updates for them in 6.0 but I do believe that if we get the missing genders (which I hope is 6.0 )they'll likely be quite limited, if maybe a bit less so than the current ones

[SturmChurro]

I think it can be both, actually. WoW got a lot of positive feedback both times they enhanced their CC, many people even went back to the game mostly because of it and the restriction lift from the allied races, rather than the game itself. It's true new races and overall customizations are just aesthetics, as opposed to stuff that affect gameplay/content, but it'd be a lie to say they don't leave a lasting impact on the audience's perception of the game too - Female Au Ra is the second most popular option even today, and even Hrothgars, despite having a smaller fanbase, all but made Roes go extinct.

They added female viera/male hrothgar in ShB, and how did that relate to the future of the game? Even before the virus ShB wasn't looking up, I remember the conversations that were had here about the "future of the game" at the time. Yes, the virus exacerbated these issues, I am not arguing that. Frankly, them adding female viera/male hrothgar probably is part of the problem. SE saw their addition as worth it, and yeah, it probably was. Viera/hrothgar currently are fairly popular despite their limitations. However, adding new races is not a small endeavor, and actually may have a negative impact on other game content - stuff that isn't superficial.

I think its rather that you dont actually care for them so you see them as a novelty than that they arent as important, its almost obvious that male viera and female hrotgar would be a lot more profitable than more customization (which would likely be harder to implement considering that as far as Im aware they'd have to change a ton of things in the code etc) also job design is pretty good as it is and the next expac will hopefully fix healers and new content and features is the base of anything they release, considering everything is 'content and features' and male viera and female hrotgar may be the sinlge most requested piece of content in the game ever, as such, their implementation would likely show the devs are willing to go above and beyond to appease to theri playerbase and that with such an investment they're truly commited to supporting this game 500% like they've been doing till now (it isn't like if they werent added because of resources or something along those lines they arent commited, its just that their implementation would show it very clearly)

Where are you getting your information? How do you know if male viera/female hrothgar would be more profitable than further customization? Do you realize how expensive it is to make new races, maintain them, and what effect they have on the future of the game? Further customization would likely be easier to implement than the missing genders - which are the equivalent to a new race. Besides, if they were going to release the new races just as limited, I don't think they should be added.

They shouldn't try to go above and beyond to "appease their playerbase" if they aren't ready to do so. It's extremely shortsighted, and can have a lasting impact on the rest of the game, in my opinion.

[zeylos]

They added female viera/male hrothgar in ShB, and how did that relate to the future of the game? Even before the virus ShB wasn't looking up, I remember the conversations that were had here about the "future of the game" at the time. Yes, the virus exacerbated these issues, I am not arguing that. Frankly, them adding female viera/male hrothgar probably are part of the problem. SE saw their addition as worth it, and it probably was. Viera/hrothgar currently are fairly popular despite their limitations.

I know that theres various players who begum playing for male hrotgar, but a ton of ppl came into the game simply because of female vieras (even if they didnt stick with them), it's pretty likely the missing genders will help add new players, which considering how WoW is having a pretty succesfull expansion and looks to be on the right track is quite beneficial to ensure the stability of the game in the future