Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Iscah]

I just don't think they can add those sort of things without totally restructuring character data and how the rest of the game reads it.

Adding an entirely new race, on the other hand, is just using the existing template to be assembled according to the same instructions, so it slots into the rest of the game far more easily.

[Ayuhra]

I just don't think they can add those sort of things without totally restructuring character data and how the rest of the game reads it.

Adding an entirely new race, on the other hand, is just using the existing template to be assembled according to the same instructions, so it slots into the rest of the game far more easily.

This unfortunately is true. It's why I don't see customization expanding unless we get more playable clans/tribes which, honestly, I'd be down for.

My perfect world has us getting male viera and female hrothgar then them putting a stop to new races so they can get hair/hats working on the new ones and overhauling customization completely but that is probably a bigger lift than most people would suspect for this particular game.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Thats one of the biggest problem in FFXIV: Instead of improving/fixing old systems, they keep adding stuff almost nobody asked for.

Except a majority have asked for Male Viera for a long time. People act like it’s something only a few people want. Considering that this thread has 1481 pages, that’s more than proof enough lol.As for things for the existing races, those are things they'd have to look at the engine for. They've said its the engine that limits them a lot from doing things like that while also they'd have to look at the overall structure of each of those races' data. As difficult as it may be to believe, adding a new race is technically less work than applying changes like that.

[Caitlyn]

Except a majority have asked for Male Viera for a long time. People act like it’s something only a few people want. Considering that this thread has 1481 pages, that’s more than proof enough lol.

I dont think that "a majority" really asked for it. That would mean, that 51% of the entire playerbase would be a male Viera with the release of Endwalker.
The most popular races in FFXIV are Miqote, Au Ra and Lalafell. 1481 pages doesnt prove anything. You can push threads like this.

I just don't think they can add those sort of things without totally restructuring character data and how the rest of the game reads it.

Adding an entirely new race, on the other hand, is just using the existing template to be assembled according to the same instructions, so it slots into the rest of the game far more easily.

You mean, besides the fact to add new models, animations and other stuff when adding a new race/gender? Tell existing Viera players about how the feel when new hairstyles coming out. Or wearing helmets/hats. I rather would like to have a totally new (finished) race instead of an unfinished race "everybody" asked for. Especially for... reasons...

They've said its the engine that limits them a lot from doing things like that while also they'd have to look at the overall structure of each of those races' data. As difficult as it may be to believe, adding a new race is technically less work than applying changes like that.

Like the servers/engine limiting inventory/storage space. But if you re willing to extra pay for it, its surprisingly possible. I think the Devs focusing to much on new stuff instead of working hard to improve existing stuff. Because its easier. I mean, you cant even put a glamour dresser in your house. Or multi-select in your inventory. Or just having 13 accessories (12 umbrellas, 1 wing), but still being limited in your actions... . Blaming the system for something is a lazy excuse in my opinion.


Dont get me wrong. I dont blame players who wants male Vieras. Absolutely understandable. I blame SE's way to keep adding stuff, when they should fixing their old stuff first! Even when 51% of players get their male Vieras, 49% of all other players get nothing in return.

[Iscah]

You mean, besides the fact to add new models, animations and other stuff when adding a new race/gender? Tell existing Viera players about how the feel when new hairstyles coming out. Or wearing helmets/hats. I rather would like to have a totally new (finished) race instead of an unfinished race "everybody" asked for. Especially for... reasons...

Hats are a separate issue again, but adding more types of customisation is a different kind of work to adding another race. It's not just about making new models, but reprogramming whatever it is that needs to read the information and assemble it into your character as instructed.

Plus every additional bit of information is another thing that needs to be transmitted to and from every single player in the same zone as each other so it can build all the characters on every player's screen, so adding any more customisable elements has a cumulative effect on how much data needs to be handled by your connection and by the servers.

On the other hand, once a race is built, there isn't any more data that needs to be sent about it than about any of the other races. The template of instructions is the same, just with a different number in the "character race" box.

[Lauront]

Dont get me wrong. I dont blame players who wants male Vieras. Absolutely understandable. I blame SE's way to keep adding stuff, when they should fixing their old stuff first! Even when 51% of players get their male Vieras, 49% of all other players get nothing in return.

Regarding the character breakdown, it depends on how you slice it. For example, these figures from the Lucky Bancho active character count from Feb 2021 (they've remained fairly static from what I remember) show the following, broken down by sex and region (bearing in mind the female/male split averages at something like 60/40 - ironically an inverse of WoW's):





As can be seen, amongst males, Au ra and Hyur over-take Lalafell in the west, and amongst females, Viera do the same. I don't have the figures readily available but female Viera began at around 12% of the proportion of all active players as measured by that survey, and settled at c. 7-8%. There's many reasons you can attribute that to, but I don't think the situation with the head pieces and hair helped.

Anyhow, I agree that they first need to get the house in order with regard to existing races etc.

[VirusOnline]

I dont think that "a majority" really asked for it. That would mean, that 51% of the entire playerbase would be a male Viera with the release of Endwalker.
The most popular races in FFXIV are Miqote, Au Ra and Lalafell. 1481 pages doesnt prove anything. You can push threads like this.

Mada mada dame.
(Oh crap, my inner weabo was released due to not being a lala)

You're wrong as well as the person you're replying to. Try another logic, because the reasoning of this is just tragic. Hint, it's on the first page.

The OP also did a request thread for viera back in Heavensward time. Go take a look at that, too.

Tell existing Viera players about how the feel when new hairstyles coming out.

They were told how to feel by SE. They committed to the limitation the moment they bought the fantasia.

Even when 51% of players get their male Vieras, 49% of all other players get nothing in return.

So what about those who lost out when they only released female viera ? Doesn't matter right.
These past two years have been those who wanted to play male viera getting nothing in return until now. Two years. I would sacrifice hair if it meant I could play male viera. There are female viera complaining about hair whilst I can't even play a viera of my choice. Let me remind that Viera is huge content, lore wise, character wise, FF wise, and more. All of that is culminated in the perspective and reaction on the opposite end of those "who got nothing in return" and had to wait years for

What player can say that they have not ever gotten nothing in return whilst others get things ?

[Caitlyn]

These past two years have been those who wanted to play male viera getting nothing in return until now. Two years.

Miqo'te or Au Ra players waited 4-6 years to have at least a 1-2 tiny options in their character customization. But got nothing since then. Nada.
The only difference is, that male Viera are confirmed. Other races still have to wait for miracles.

I dont think its a big suprise that they add the male Viera now, since concept arts are there since Heavensward. I assume they just didnt make in time, so they are releasing them in Endwalker. I mean, when they can easily add hairstyles each patch, why not additional tails, ears, face options, etc?

The whole point is: yes, they can add male Viera. But after 6 years of waiting, I would love to see something new for existing races, too!

[Theodric]

It may not be a literal majority but the amount of people pushing for male viera happened to be significant enough for the development team to move ahead with adding them to the game. I don't doubt that they'll be a popular choice.

The amount of likes present on the first post of this thread is also more than I've seen anywhere else on this site and although this forum only represents a small portion of the overall playerbase, it's not as if there hasn't been a lot of talk about male viera elsewhere.

I do hope to see an expansion or rebuilding of the character creation system in the future, though. Mostly because I think that would have appealed to a greater number of players in the long run.

[CherryCola]

I do agree with giving existing races more options, but thinking almost 2000 likes and a thread as big as this isn't indicative of how requested this is seems..odd? It may not be the majority, but clearly a significant portion of the player base asked for it. If you don't play Male characters, you may not see it or care. Yes, female characters are the majority, but male character players aren't too far behind afaik. If we're going to go the "why add em" route, why did they add F!Viera and Hrothgar in the first place? Aura, Miquote and Lala are the most played afterall. I also think its kinda unfair to play the "x got nothing game". Its just something that will happen.* Some of us have been waiting for a tall handsome tall option that doesn't have an noticeable drawback factor in it. For some people Male Viera is it. Some of us have been waiting for a beastly female option that isn't just a borinv human with animal ears and tails put on. Some of us have been waiting for more masculine hairstyles and glamor for their Male characters and found wanting. Not everyone gets what they want all the time.