Would a raffle system be that hard?

[tdb]

Which would be bad for everyone trying to get a house, not just resellers. It would do more harm than good in the long run. People just don't realize that, apparently.

And what about all the people who want a house but don't want to camp the placard for hours? How is this bad for them? Or do you want to make an argument about placard campers being more deserving a house?

[Vahlnir]

And what about all the people who want a house but don't want to camp the placard for hours? How is this bad for them? Or do you want to make an argument about placard campers being more deserving a house?

It increases competition significantly, so the chances of getting a house just went from "well, probably not..." to "lol not in a million years". Neither parties are more deserving of a plot than the other, but you need to consider the ramifications. It doesn't fix the underlying issues plaguing housing. A raffle would take the biggest problem (supply and demand) and suddenly make it significantly worse for the average player.

[tdb]

It increases competition significantly, so the chances of getting a house just went from "well, probably not..." to "lol not in a million years".

That's for the players who do camp the placards. Those who don't want to camp will see their chances go up, because previously they had zero chance.

It's mathematically impossible for everyone's odds to worsen. But you have to include the same people both before and after.

[NanaWiloh]

That's for the players who do camp the placards. Those who don't want to camp will see their chances go up, because previously they had zero chance.

It's mathematically impossible for everyone's odds to worsen. But you have to include the same people both before and after.

O.o You are going from competeing with a few people at a placard. To going against everyone on your world who does not have a house...tell me how your odds are now better. In a raffle the more people enter the lower your chances of winning are.

[Vahlnir]

O.o You are going from competeing with a few people at a placard. To going against everyone on your world who does not have a house...tell me how your odds are now better. In a raffle the more people enter the lower your chances of winning are.

Exactly. Thank you.

[tdb]

O.o You are going from competeing with a few people at a placard. To going against everyone on your world who does not have a house...tell me how your odds are now better. In a raffle the more people enter the lower your chances of winning are.

Ok look. Suppose we have 1000 people, 100 of which are willing to camp a placard. The odds are like so:
100 people have 1% chance of getting a house
900 people have 0% chance of getting a house

Now we move to a raffle system and everyone can participate. Now the odds are:
1000 people have 0.1% chance of getting a house

For 100 people the odds became worse, but for 900 people they became better because they had no chance at all before.

Why do most people look at this only from the perspective of the "privileged" few who can spend their days repetitively clicking the placard or use keyboard macro programs (which are against the ToS)?

[Vahlnir]

Ok look. Suppose we have 1000 people, 100 of which are willing to camp a placard. The odds are like so:
100 people have 1% chance of getting a house
900 people have 0% chance of getting a house

Now we move to a raffle system and everyone can participate. Now the odds are:
1000 people have 0.1% chance of getting a house

For 100 people the odds became worse, but for 900 people they became better because they had no chance at all before.

Why do most people look at this only from the perspective of the "privileged" few who can spend their days repetitively clicking the placard or use keyboard macro programs (which are against the ToS)?

Now add 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 thousand onto that number, possibly more. On each server. Sure, the odds still dictate that it could happen, but the chances are so small that it really doesn't matter. That doesn't make it better than the current system. It doesn't improve anything at all. What we need are actual fixes, not impossible, hopeless dreams. This isn't about the "privileged few". This is about everyone.

[tdb]

This is about everyone.

Yet everyone having an equal chance doesn't seem to be to your liking. What gives? Does there need to be some kind of bait, a promise of an easier life? "If only I was unscrupulous enough to break the ToS by botting, I too could get a house"?

Yes, instanced housing would be a far better solution. Yet it has proven unattainable so far. And it too has its detractors; some people have cried about ghost wards and wanting to keep the neighborhoods.

Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the latest and most complete description of what I think a raffle system could be like: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5483002

[ItMe]

Ok look. Suppose we have 1000 people, 100 of which are willing to camp a placard. The odds are like so:
100 people have 1% chance of getting a house
900 people have 0% chance of getting a house

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For 100 people the odds became worse, but for 900 people they became better because they had no chance at all before.

Those 900 people didn't have "no chance," they had the same chance to participate as everyone else and they chose not to.

[tdb]

Those 900 people didn't have "no chance," they had the same chance to participate as everyone else and they chose not to.

And if those 900 chose to participate, guess what? Everyone would have 0.1% chance, exactly the same as with raffle. You can't seriously think it's a good idea to make a system so appalling that most people don't even want to participate.