Nature of the Sound

[YianKutku]

No, they see all sundered life as being lesser, because it is. They intend to rejoin all life including that 1/4th of their people.


How have the short stories shown that in the slightest? Not the stories, but while we know Azem didn't join either the Convocation or the Anyder, but we don't really know why.


We have no evidence Hythlodaeus was correct. So far as we're aware he had no direct connection to the Anyder, so his statement may simply be what he (or Emet) believed.


They say that as immutable as the laws of reality Zodiark wove may seem, they wouldn't serve to forestall their doom, and they their fate would be the same. And Venat says that the Convocation hasn't offered a permanent solution. This seems to me to heavily imply that the issue the Anyder are seeking to rectify with the summoning of Hydaelyn is the selfsame one Zodiark was intended to solve, not merely a similar doom of their people or an end to them either way. After all, Hydaelyn effectively did that herself.


I'm not really sure why you think he should have set out to scour the vast wasteland permeated with energy the Ascians are weak to in order to search for some trace that the two of them hadn't died when he had every reason to believe they had.

Why even do that? It'd be all the same if the First was rejoined and he simply reraised their rejoined souls on the Source anyway.

Yes, and after they rejoined all life, they intend to sacrifice the non-Amaurotine life to Zodiark to bring back the rest of the Amaurotines. Hence my assertion that the Amaurotines see non-Amaurotine life as being inferior and lesser, since they believe it to be a fair trade to bring the other 3/4 of their population back.

My point about Azem's characterization in the short stories, as well as the conversation with Hythlodaeus in 5.3, is that they consider the non-Amaurotine population of the Ancient world to be just as worthy, unlike the Convocation, who reportedly see them as abstract populations rather than people. According to Hythlodaeus, Azem preferred to work with the locals to solve whatever problems they face, rather than call on the Convocation for assistance. This is in contrast to Emet-Selch, who sees us as a shard of Azem working with the "local" soul shards, and goes ballistic with ranting about how Nobody Is Worthy.

We have no evidence that Hythlodaeus is incorrect, and indeed I had been convinced by people on this forum that Hythlodaeus does know what he's talking about, back when we were discussing revelations from 5.0. He seems to know things that Emet-Selch would not have let him know (or impart the knowledge of) if Emet-Selch had been paying attention, like Hythlodaeus's account of the summoning of Hydaelyn, contradicting Emet-Selch's own account that Hydaelyn was summoned due entirely to "fear" of Zodiark's "magnificence" (Emet-Selch's words). Emet-Selch even tries to poison the rhetorical well by pre-emptively saying Hydaelyn's own hypothetical account of her summoning will be different and thus false, but Hythlodaeus's account is different, despite his being a creation of Emet-Selch.

Notably Emet-Selch also didn't mention anything about the Anyder group's stated motivations, which contradict what he said about the summoning of Hydaelyn, but does not contradict Hythlodaeus's version. As mentioned, I think it adds to Hythlodaeus's version by giving additional context that builds upon it in a natural way.

I didn't say Emet-Selch should have scoured the Empty to look for Mitron and Loghrif. I said he should have scoured the Empty to find Eden, meaning that he should have practiced due diligence to find out what went wrong and caused the Flood of Light. And if Emet-Selch had laid eyes upon Eden, then given what we're told (many times) about Emet-Selch's soul-sight, he should have recognized Mitron in there. We know he won't be "blinded" by the Light or such, because he also instantly recognized Ryne's nature.