Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

[ItMe]

RSE?
JSE?
R/J/G?
What do these things mean?

[SannaR]

Technically all Hempen sets are lingerie as they used to be placed in the 1.0 underwear slot. Which is part of the reason when the Hempen set question got asked that one time. It got lost in translation as the dev team latched onto the whole underwear part and thought we wanted the "underwear" we now show any time we take our clothes off to be separated from the character model's skin. And not the outward appearance separated from the race toggle.

I don't mind if the JSE we get that shows off each job's iconic look to be kept as is. Except for the outward appearance of some things. Tired of getting mini skirts or mirco mini skirts or the one time whm got what equated to underwear with metal tassels on the side. Specially when the guys get shorts or slacks. That was my huge fear when we got the school uniforms. That they would just be one item, but have different outward appearances. Yes, ladies have access to a lot of pants some of those even look nice. However there are some of us who would do almost anything if we had the same outward appearances as the guys do. Take the 1st scion outfit the guys get some lovely slacks ladies get a short skirt with a stocking and a half with a strange leg strap. This is mostly a leg slot problem though there are times we get odd things like the early Drg Jse that gave ladies a belly button window. Or the primal themed tome gear that gave us a boob window.

There are some parts of the racial gear I'd love to wear on my character. Though it's not even the lingerie angle that some bunnies wear that top. Sometimes it's just for the fake tail.

[SannaR]

RSE?
JSE?
R/J/G?
What do these things mean?

Rse= race specific equipment
Jse = job specific equipment
I'm guessing the G is gender?

[Absurdity]

A White mage has about as much use for a Paladin's plate armor as a librarian has for a full military combat outfit.

Sorry, couldn't resist.




As for the WHM in plate argument... I agree with you, but mainly because of WHM's animations. They simply don't fit the aesthetic of a combat cleric in full heavy armor, too much floating and twirling in the air. You could easily make a healer in plate work if you made the animations more "grounded".

[GrizzlyTank]

As for the WHM in plate argument... I agree with you, but mainly because of WHM's animations. They simply don't fit the aesthetic of a combat cleric in full heavy armor, too much floating and twirling in the air. You could easily make a healer in plate work if you made the animations more "grounded".

Full plate is actually not that heavy because it's weight is distributed evenly, and there is a lot of movement going on in tank's animations.

Also the deepshadow set got chainmail.

[reivaxe]

As an artist, restriction does not lead to a more creative outcome, just more creative solutions to get TO the outcome.

" Miles Davis wrote an entire album, Kind of Blue, without a single chord. Artist Piet Mondrian midwifed Modernism by restricting his paintings to right angles and primary colors. Even Theodore Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss, restrained himself to produce his most memorable works. Dr. Geisel’s advice, “If you’re someone who writes or paints, don’t be afraid to try constraints!”

In Ikebana or the art of Japanese flower arrangement, negative space is considered crucial. It’s this aspect that allows for novel shapes and dimensions which might not otherwise ever become realized. As one Japanophile put it, “In formality there is freedom.” The tech world offers examples too. Consider Twitter’s character limit, the spare, sleek look of an iPod, and Google’s homepage."

If an artist uses Black and white, guess what? That's a constraint that forces them to think differently and lessens their options. Someone allowing them self to use color isn't being more creative just cause they have more options, being forced to work with in limits actually does help people think harder about the tools they have at hand and how best to use them to make something stand out. I mean wow ... this is a Japanese game, I'm sure we all know Anime. Constraints come in all forms, be them time/ money/ manpower. Giving someone zero limits can be detrimental to the creative process.

If you're an artist I'd think you would know that.

What is wrong with allowing users the freedom to create something they like? This is worded as though there's something wrong with it, or that by giving users the freedom to create what they want, that it inherently will lack creativity.

This is the problem with these long spats on this forum.

Person 1- I like restrictions, they push people to be more creative with their glams. I think we should keep them and want even more.

Person 2- Nah uh! How could restrictions lead to more creative thinking for glams! If you can match more things you can be more creative!

Me- Umm, actually, an example of how restrictions promote creative thinking would be this and that. This isn't a meem, it's a thing people actually study that leads to a LOT of the cool ish in our world. Artist do this all the time, restricting their use of color down to a select few to build consistently in branding or building new art forms outta strict restrictions that force them to think more deeply about the options they have at hand. This is what people are talking about. More options =/= more creativity ... what you're really saying is that you want more freedom to make things you like which has nothing to do with the topic of w/e being creative.

You- Imma take this completely outta context cause why not..

lol, don't do that.
If it's your opinion that people would benefit from the freedom to have zero restrictions on a personal enjoyment level then just say that. You don't have to make it seem like the whole notion of "restrictions lead to creativity" is non-sense just cause you want unlimited dress up.
It's ok to want what you want, what you want doesn't always have to invalidate something else.

IMO this game has a very healthy amount of options for players to use for glam, taking away the current constraints on role-gear glam use and race glam will simply result in much of the player base not trying to be as creative with their usage of glam. By not having access to every glam with every job and every race you put people in a position where they have to think and carefully craft out the look they want with the options they have. It's of my opinion that this would frankly devalue the gear and much of the enjoyment in making a glam. To put it simply, all gear would run into the same problem of FoTM LvL1 glams and much of the identity behind designs would be lost.

Also, who cares if half the playerbase suddenly starts glamming the Viera lingerie set? If that's what they want to do let them

If that's your stance then just say it and stand by it lmao, but I'm not sure how a world where half the population dresses in Viera Glam is more "creative use of glam options" in your mind. (That's your example, I used Viera glam as an example before because I KNOW that there would be tons of females of others races that would stop trying to make unique kink glams in favor of just wearing "the best looking one" and that's pretty much the attitude that would effect every glam regardless of it being bun gear or not)
If you don't care then ... don't care. It's fine if you don't care ... idc if you care or not O_o lol

You don't have to care about my stance either tbh. It's like some strange virtue signaling is going on ... like I'm against people having fun or something because I don't want to throw the system in a fire and turn everything into LvL1 race unlocked glam. Oooof

[GrizzlyTank]

Essay aside... You forgot that we already have one layer of restrictions, namely the fact that we are restricted to 11-12 slots of gear that we can't edit further outside of maybe predetermined colors. The additional layer which is job/race/sex specific is just superfluous and frequently ignored by the devs themselves.

[reivaxe]

Essay aside...

Miss me with that, you don't chop up a post someone put time into and expect to boil it down into some non-sense. Like I said, you can google the words "constraints lead to creativity", tis not a meme. If they want to cover their ears and think "You don't want FUN?!?!" they're getting an eye full of text before I give up on em.

You forgot ...

No I did not, all these restraints are needed and welcome for the current system.

[LaylaTsarra]

The additional layer which is job/race/sex specific is just superfluous.

No it's not. It makes the different races/jobs/sexes more unique and special to many of us. Obviously it's not what YOU want but this game isn't all about you.

[zeylos]

Ok so this isn’t a troll topic first of all. It came up in a thread about the Hempen Sets that the ‘majority opinion’ from the player base was that ‘we’ want a lot of changes such as:

- letting any race use any of the hempen sets
- letting any job wear any other jobs item of clothing
- no gender locked gear etc etc

I brought up that personally I’m against a lot of this stuff as I prefer some semblance of realism and would rather devs spent time on other things. I’d also like to see more race/job specific stuff and believe I’m not alone in this.

I feel that I personally don’t always feel comfortable in voicing that because the people who want these changes can be a little argumentative. They don’t get much opposition and I feel that they shout it down if they do. So with respect I’d ask them to stay out of this thread and find out once and for all - who is happy with these sorts of restrictions and doesn’t want to see such changes to the game?

I think no gender locked gear would be cool but I dotn think they can work out the job thing and I actually like each race having their own sets, even if they could be admittedly much more personal to each race