Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

[MilkieTea]

What are you confused about? I look at your statement, and even though I don't agree with it I recognize that it is your opinion. There is nothing to be confused about. However, presumably; if someone has a view in direct contrast to yours, the only reason why I can think it confuses you is because you see any view other than yours as incorrect.

Those are the type of thoughts I have when I respond with things like:
"I think males wearing dresses are dumb, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with gender restrictions."

Not incorrect, but literally confusing. If a male wearing a dress is dumb to you, why? That goes deeper than me not caring what men wear. It quite LITERALLY confuses me, because there's a deeper conflict in that sentiment. There's a why there.

As for why I think men can wear dresses, men can wear whatever we want. If I want to wear a suit and tie, I'll wear a suit and tie. If I want to wear a pretty maxi dress and heels, I'll wear a pretty maxi dress and heels. Seeing nothing wrong or "dumb" about men wearing dresses is a pretty straightforward reasoning, whereas seeing something dumb with it has deeper sentiments. There's more beyond "I think it's dumb." Okay... why?

For future reference, when I say something I tend to mean it as a literal sentiment. This way you don't need to worry about me meaning something else

[MilkieTea]

Men wearing dresses in game looks very silly and it really impacts immersion in the cities and things.

I mean, fem characters wearing maid dresses and schoolgirl outfits also breaks/impacts immersion. Also, As I stated above, I mean confuse in the most literal of senses. Like how someone can be confused by how someone gets to a certain reasoning. It's the why and how that confuses me.

But rather than accept they look stupid, easier to call you an ism or a phobe then retreat to a safe space where everyone agrees with them.

Men can wear whatever we want, and if, in the real world, you find something wrong with that I'd be happy to ask you why and have a conversation in a calm, rational manner. No one needs to agree with me, but certain opinions stem from deep rooted worldviews that are extremely interesting to hear. And yes, these worldviews confuse me, because I don't hold them, and therefore I don't understand them.

(Also, not going to lie here, if you're regularly being called a -phobe in certain circles, then perhaps you need to step back and reevaluate how you approach topics. I'm being serious here: look up dogwhistles. See if you inadvertently use them in your arguments or posts. Because if you're using them and you don't know you're using them, but others do, they're going to assume that you're using them on purpose. Even something as simple as triple parenthesis is a dogwhistle. A lot of everyday talking points are used as dogwhistles in *those* circles, and if you're in an argument in which usage of a -phobe or -ism somewhat makes sense in context, it helps to check and make sure you're not using those dogwhistles.)

[MilkieTea]

"Resources". If they can spend resources to fit dresses to males, they can spend resources to fit other items, such as hempen.

I agree! I like the au ra hempen top. I'd love to wear it as a viera.

[Absurdity]

That's legit why YP said these are prob the last new races for the game, they can't keep up the pace with which they make gear if they have to QA anymore models with their current pipeline.

Then sorry, but his reason is just outright incorrect. Since 2.0 99% of female gear is entirely based on female midlanders, the different shapes are done through bone scaling. There are no different models for female characters besides lalafell (where male and female have basically the exact same body). Adding a new race that is also based on female midlander does not create more work for their gear, you already had to make gear for that body in the first place. The only extra workload they gain from adding new races are the race's original assets when they first make them, like head models, horns, other customization options and maybe racial gear.

The male characters have slightly more variation in models, you can't really achieve the Roegadyn body with bone scaling. Male Au Ra, Elezen and Midlander are all based on the derplander body, Roegadyn and Hrothgar share a model as well. The only outliers are Highlander, which sometimes uses the derplander model and sometimes has it's own model with thicker arms, and Lalafell which share a model between genders.

Adding Hrothgar and Viera didn't add any extra workload to their outfits since the model they use is already present on other races and the only extra workload they could've had, the headgear, has just been ignored.



You are however correct that converting female outfits to work on male bodies and vice versa would be twice the amount of work.

And if that costs extra resources, then they have messed up somewhere in how they add things to the game.

No, they didn't mess up, that is simply how creating outfits works unless you make male and female characters have the exact same body. There isn't some magical "make this work" button you can press to make gear fit a specific body shape, you have to make the gear fit the shape of the gender by hand and obviously if you have several different models for a character's body then you have to invest extra time/resources into making the gear fit those models.



Thinking that converting gear from one gender to another can be done with the press of a button is just willfully ignorant. If you make a dress for women in real life it will not automatically fit the body of a guy.

[kaynide]

It’s how a large section of the world argues these days. If you don’t agree with them then they imply you must be a bad person.

Men wearing dresses in game looks very silly and it really impacts immersion in the cities and things. But rather than accept they look stupid, easier to call you an ism or a phobe then retreat to a safe space where everyone agrees with them.

To be fair, seeing a male Roe running around in the new schoolgirl outfit impacts my immersion much less than the same guy flaunting the giant bunny/pig suit, or the cheetah speedo.

Sometimes it even looks good-
The male au’ra in the schoolgirl outfit actually looked quite good I felt- could even do the athletic-masculine-yet-slender “cool beauty” character type of role playing as female.

[Vickii]

...Says the person who started a thread meant to shut out people with opposing views as you intend to bar them from saying anything and, failing that, ignoring them as much as possible.

Please, tell me I am not the only one who sees the irony in these statements.

The thread is not to shut out people with opposing views. It’s to guage what is truly the majority here. We can’t tell that if everytime someone says they feel a certain way, twitter liberals descend upon them and try to change their thinking.

[Yencat]

you can’t stand someone having a different view

I made it clear this thread was for people who had opposing views.

"Sorry you can't stand someone having a different view but you can't post in this thread because it's only for people with different views"

What?

[Ammokkx]

We can’t tell that if everytime someone says they feel a certain way, twitter liberals descend upon them and try to change their thinking.

Uh-huh.

Speaking personally, I've got neither a twitter nor would I consider myself a liberal. I'd still argue removing restrictions across the board would be a universal good thing. Meaning, clearly, at least 1 person who is neither of those opposes your views too, yet you seem to group a person like me in with the lot of them.

And you're the one stimulating freedom of thought?

[SturmChurro]

I agree! I like the au ra hempen top. I'd love to wear it as a viera.

I completely agree! Viera are stuck with the midlander one that has those ugly undyable leather bits! I'd like miqo'te's, because it can go with a lot of stuff, and I just like the top. Elezen's could be nice for a ninja themed glam too!

Hempen sets have a lot of pieces that could be utilized more if everyone had access. There is no real reason to keep them locked like job gear.

[Vickii]

Uh-huh.

Speaking personally, I've got neither a twitter nor would I consider myself a liberal. I'd still argue removing restrictions across the board would be a universal good thing. Meaning, clearly, at least 1 person who is neither of those opposes your views too, yet you seem to group a person like me in with the lot of them.

And you're the one stimulating freedom of thought?

You’re putting words into my mouth now. I never said that you were a twitter liberal. I’d presume the person giving the definition of dog whistling is.

I think your someone who doesn’t agree and wants your say, and that’s fine, although this threads purpose was to guage the opposite opinion, there’s plenty of threads for your opinion.

I’m not saying I’m ‘right’ and you’re purposely being argumentative here. I just want to see how many people feel a similar way to me. You’re trying really hard to bully a 15 year old girl on the internet sweetie.