[FEEDBACK] Redemption for Striked Accounts

[SnowVix]

Perpetuated by whom? If someone is warning against usage of certain words, you'd think they aren't using them themselves. Whether they want to or not changes nothing.

the idea that GMs are issuing bans for things that aren't reasonably bannable is perpetuated by people who were absolutely being jerks or harassing in game, by leaving out context and saying that their ban was for "saying a bad word" instead of, say, "following someone around spamming say chat with a word they asked them not to use"

[SturmChurro]

the idea that GMs are issuing bans for things that aren't reasonably bannable is perpetuated by people who were absolutely being jerks or harassing in game, by leaving out context and saying that their ban was for "saying a bad word" instead of, say, "following someone around spamming say chat with a word they asked them not to use"

I think you are assuming a lot of things here. I know for a fact SE has banned for what I would personally consider nonsense before, why not do it again? Why not in-game? I'll take the better safe than sorry approach. Not chat at all. When it comes to the case of this OP, they definitely should never chat in-game, in my opinion.

I'll add for the OP, also if you are going to say anything, even 'PG' rated, don't make it accusatory. You may get hit with a "slander" ban. Take my advice, use words like "I think", "supposedly", "assume", "my opinion" etc. A direct accusation will probably lead you to a ban as well.

[Liam_Harper]

I personally feel botting should be an instant permanent ban. I can understand the leniency can help some players learn from their mistake and become better people, I don't mean to sound harsh, but it also serves as a one-time free pass to bot. Basically you can bot all you like until you're caught, then you simply lose your free-pass and return to playing normally. Since there's a very high chance you'll never be caught and it's risk-free the first time even if you are, there's a huge incentive to bot. Of course, in the case Enix made it a permanent ban, they should be clear that bots and hacks are zero tolerance.

I fully agree harassment strikes should not be anonymous. It's also fine you get second chances, people do say things they regret after a long day or when they're tired and snap. It's not a good thing to do but it happens. You should be told what action or words resulted in your strike so you can pay better attention to it in the future. It's like being arrested and fined but they never tell you what for.

[Lily_Skye]

[FEEDBACK] Redemption for Striked Accounts

No.

Also they should permaban people using parser.

[Caitsithhh]

No.

Also they should permaban people using parser.

Who hurt you?

SE has made it so not talking is the only safe route to take. Calling “bads” bad, jail. Using facts to show someone they’re not doing as good as they think, jail. Defending yourself in the heat of the moment, jail. List goes on, jajajajajaja. So safest route you ask? DISCORD! Permanent strikes on a sub based mmo is actually -insert banned word-...

[Caitsithhh]

Cuz censorship in the West is big right? Gg

[AshBrighter]

the idea that GMs are issuing bans for things that aren't reasonably bannable is perpetuated by people who were absolutely being jerks or harassing in game, by leaving out context and saying that their ban was for "saying a bad word" instead of, say, "following someone around spamming say chat with a word they asked them not to use"

I'd like to provide some semblance in your defense considering that GM's are indeed considerate in this, especially since I should've gotten a permaban and the GM in this instance decided to argue my case against the GM team. But this was an exception case, and I know I never harass anyone since that's not who I am. Who I am is someone that makes lame innuendos in public chat that might catch people in the wrong way, or give someone that hates me the key to finally unalive me from the game entirely.

I'll add for the OP, also if you are going to say anything, even 'PG' rated, don't make it accusatory. You may get hit with a "slander" ban. Take my advice, use words like "I think", "supposedly", "assume", "my opinion" etc. A direct accusation will probably lead you to a ban as well.

I get what you mean, I'm very much in the same boat, which is why I'm trying to push for this change. FFXIV is a very social game and I'd like to enjoy it that way. It's just a minefield right now as it is.

[AshBrighter]

I personally feel botting should be an instant permanent ban.
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I fully agree harassment strikes should not be anonymous. It's like being arrested and fined but they never tell you what for.

It's very reasonable to make botting an instant permaban. I don't disagree with that notion, Square is very forgiving with that as it is. The points you bring up against it make a lot of sense.

[ElazulHP]

Here's the thing, you are better off NOT CHATTING AT ALL in-game (be careful here on the forums as well). For one, yes, you never know what will offend, and two SE seems to ignore context. Casually slip a curse word, BANNED. Doesn't have to be directed at anyone. It's likely the word tried to censor in your OP - by the way censoring doesn't work, neither here OR in-game - would probably get you banned. All it takes is someone's strongly worded report. You want to chat with your edgy friends? Move to Discord or something - keep it out of game - THAT INCLUDES private or party chat. You are better off not having a paper trail when a GM goes through your logs.

I may be more paranoid than most, sure, but I've never been banned in-game. Never once have I had a GM interaction. Not chatting, and if I do chat keeping things AT WORST PG (G is better) is the way to go.

How is cussing a slip? You literally have all the time between thinking the thought and typing it out and pressing enter on your keyboard to think the action through and be like "Oh hey perhaps I should keep it clean. My bad."

EDIT: Also, I agree that botting should be an instant perma-ban as should use of all third party programs. I 100% believe they are being too lenient and understanding and should take a zero-tolerance approach instead. I understand this will upset a certain subsection of the community that relies on them for raiding, but it's completely destroying another subsection of the game.

[Vickii]

So first off ERP is.... honestly this is an anime game and lots of young people play it and the whole community finder is full of mistress Veronica is going to whip you. Gtfo to porn hub or wherever. ERPers literally do deserve to be banned for this stuff, it’s not cute, it’s weird and you should keep it to yourselves if you really have to do it.

Secondly why is it important to know which of the things that breaks the rules (sexual content, using a disparaging word for disabled people as a slur) is what got you in trouble? Just stop breaking the rules and you won’t get banned. Being ‘European’ isn’t an excuse for being abusive. Sounds like you’ve been very lucky and square have been too lenient IMO.